I’ve noticed a lot of posts asking how we’re going to vote, and people coming in trying to shame people for not voting for Biden, or any candidate in the general election at all.
So I’m curious and, asking in good faith, want to know - what will make you stop voting for Biden?
If you don’t vote for Hitler then Turbo-Hitler will win.
The existence of a Turbo Hitler means that there is a Turbo Stalin out there
Turbo-stalin’s spoon was too big and he collapsed in to a point singularity with the equivalent of 53,000 solar masses.
Unlike Turbo-Stalin himself, the Spoon did not collapse. Today, the DPRK is investigating if Juche necromancy will allow the Spoon to be used without collapsing the user into a singularity.
He’d have to be worse than Trump which is basically impossible. I will not abstain, I will chose the leader I want or, barring that, the least worst option. Biden it is.
Do you personally believe that it’s possible to use a vote as leverage to get policies you want or better align with?
I don’t believe the US system allows for that, no. Everything is a game and we are basically forced to choose between capitalists and fascists. But within that terrible system there still is a choice which is better than nothing. I may be choosing Kang but at least it’s better than Kodos.
I think local politics can be influenced by volunteering but even then money can ruin it (as it did in my town last week).
I’m not trying to set you up for a dunk, but why do you vote if you don’t think it can be used as leverage?
From how you describe, it doesn’t seem like a choice outside of aesthetics at this point. I believe that if I refuse to show up or participate in voting the general and stay consistent with my views, that I’m not passively accepting the lower standards we’re presented. I’m also not endorsing, defending, or carrying water for candidates who are commiting or enabling crimes against humanity.
My personal concern is that a broad acceptance of Biden as the preferable outcome between two inevitable outcomes limits the conversation on what kind of world is possible. The DNC still has time to course correct and be on the right side of history.
Voting nationally is a low leverage action, but abstaining is a no leverage action. So to have any leverage at all I must vote, and since I’m voting I’m going to vote for the best/least worst candidate. Diamond Joe does some shitty things but Trump is another ambitious, poorly spoken level, his treacheries have treacheries. I don’t have a viable third option so this is where I’m at.
We had a chance at real change in 2016 and it was taken away. If that happens again I am all in but I don’t see any beneficial action right now to make that a reality.
Abstaining is how voting can have leverage. Voting only has leverage if politicians can’t take your vote as a given
Someone more effective that Biden wins the primary election with politics I agree with.
This isn’t a game. The republican candidates are horrible people and Project 2025 is a death knell. But we all know this.
Edit: OP was asking in good faith. Every comment so far is a bad faith response. I don’t have any interest in interacting with any of you.
Every comment so far is a bad faith response.
We can tell when we’re being a lil stinker, it’s funny you read it as bad faith.
Now that I’m home on a full keyboard, let’s commence the entertainment, shall we?
A bad faith response (because, not a single comment so far as an argument) puts words in my mouth, like
So as long as Biden “If there wasn’t an Israel we’d have to invent one” isn’t literally bathing in the blood of Palestinian children he’s still the lesser evil?
or
Meanwhile Genocide Joe is actually a saint
I didn’t say either of those things.
put on a fedora and call me “m’lady” you fucking coward
