You often see westaboos romanticising western civilizations by saying shit like “Before the Roman empire unified everyone all those places were warring with each other! Rome ushered in centuries of peace!”
Or similar shit about America or Africa "Those slur tribes were all fighting each other anyway! It became more peaceful under colonial rule!
Even ignoring how silly believing imperial propaganda about “barbarians” is, life under these so-called peace times was fucking horrible. Slavery, apartheid and exploitation, the fucking collesium??!?. A huge portion of the population were literally kept like cattle, whipped, brutalized and forced to do the hard labour.
Peaceful for who, exactly?
Peaceful for the imperial core at the expense of the periphery, which will eventually blow back on the core!
Peace is a perfectly good measure, but you have to remember that committing systematic violence against the people within the empire isn’t peace.
Basically, yeah. Well put
on a scale of actual war neither the Roman empire, or any of the periods modern Pinkerites talk about were actually peaceful. simply discriminatory of who is participating in and suffering from these conflicts
literally just Rome The City wasn’t in a battle from like 201 bce to 408 ce. that’s basically it. every province and most cities had battles and sieges and sacks at some point, whether against other romans or foreigners.
then the ‘Western Hegemony is Peaceful’ *only if you don’t count any of the aggressive murderous wars the US has done as wars, or murder. most of europe and the continental united states weren’t involved tho, so to an audience exclusively from there it gets claps
province and most cities had battles and sieges and sacks at some point, whether against other romans or foreigners.
Sure, but plenty of those were hundreds of years apart. A battle in 1850 doesn’t mean that now is violent or peaceful and for some of these places, these are the timescales we’re talking about.
there was like a 10% chance any given shithead with a military command would rise up yearly, look at this shit. and anywhere within ~100 miles of a border was seeing raiding/counter-raiding on the regular.
in some sense the scale of ancient/medieval warfare would be ‘easy to ignore’ for a lot of people due to slow communication and limited range/numbers of participants. but i feel like if we’re trying to make a kind of judgement of the society we should be talking about the full picture, not the parochial views some individuals adopted during the period
Rome creates a desert and calls it peace.
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Even ignoring how silly believing imperial propaganda about “barbarians” is
It’s equally silly to imagine the people the Romans conquered as being better simply because they were the victims of empire. Rome didn’t fall out of a coconut tree, and the societies surrounding it were no less reliant on violence and oppression.
Pax Romania was subjugation, simple as
Never understood how Rome was “peaceful” when it is an expansionary entity that had 25 years long military services with rewards for service in land and looting of the enemy is considered wage bonus.
With this kind of society, you’ll end up with a thinly stretched territory where it is not possible to fight in the periphery aboard.
