If you ever get people at your house asking questions like that again, and you’re are feeling spicy you can try my method.
I’ve had luck with asking “Jesus died so everyone’s sins can be forgiven right?” then they usually say yes. Then I ask “then why weren’t Eve’s sins forgiven?”
They usually look confused and ask what I mean. I respond with “well, if pain in childbirth is punishment for Eve’s sin of eating the apple… and Jesus died to have all our sins forgiven…why is childbirth still painful? Did God not forgive Eve?”
Sometimes they fall back on God is mysterious or whatever, of course he forgave Eve…blah blah blah… but they never come back to my house. And I always hope I made them think a little harder about the bible and it’s inconsistent nature. Even if they never admit it outwardly.
Just reread Genesis 2 and 3. There’s no mention of childbirth until then and she isn’t even named Eve until then and partly because she would become a mother. I believe a fair interpretation is that childbirth is inherently painful and that the two didn’t even know about concepts like sex before eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. There’s no evidence to suggest that from a biblical perspective childbirth would’ve been painfree had there been no original sin, though there is evidence to suggest there would’ve been no childbirth at all without it.
If you ever get people at your house asking questions like that again, and you’re are feeling spicy you can try my method.
I’ve had luck with asking “Jesus died so everyone’s sins can be forgiven right?” then they usually say yes. Then I ask “then why weren’t Eve’s sins forgiven?”
They usually look confused and ask what I mean. I respond with “well, if pain in childbirth is punishment for Eve’s sin of eating the apple… and Jesus died to have all our sins forgiven…why is childbirth still painful? Did God not forgive Eve?”
Sometimes they fall back on God is mysterious or whatever, of course he forgave Eve…blah blah blah… but they never come back to my house. And I always hope I made them think a little harder about the bible and it’s inconsistent nature. Even if they never admit it outwardly.
Just reread Genesis 2 and 3. There’s no mention of childbirth until then and she isn’t even named Eve until then and partly because she would become a mother. I believe a fair interpretation is that childbirth is inherently painful and that the two didn’t even know about concepts like sex before eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. There’s no evidence to suggest that from a biblical perspective childbirth would’ve been painfree had there been no original sin, though there is evidence to suggest there would’ve been no childbirth at all without it.