These are all pretty common points of contention for beginners.
Barring extreme cases, like people with psychotic disorders like schizophrenia, I believe meditation is beneficial, and not harmful, for virtually everyone.
I’m certain you’ve experienced a state of flow before and found equanimity in the process.
Meditation at its core is being able to drop back into that experience at your own convenience.
No, I’m aware of the mindfulness stuff. I just mentioned the sleep stuff as an aside. My flow states are usually associated with work or exercise. The former is high stress.though even if the brain is off
You’ve set yourself a goal, which is antithetical to the nature of meditation.
The goal (which is besides the point) you’ve set is totally unrealistic. For a beginner to sit and let their mind become empty is the equivalent of an average person waking up tomorrow and deciding to run a double marathon.
One reason meditation is helpful is that we become more efficient at letting go of unhelpful thoughts. Your reason for not wanting to do meditation, is the reason you should do meditation. It’s a catch 22.
If you ever decide to try again, it might be helpful to set some realistic goals, temporarily.
See if you can let your mind become as empty as you can, for a whole second. If that’s easy, try two seconds (this is harder than it sounds, but definitely within the capacity of beginners).
Other goals might be to not hold on to any thought for longer than ten seconds before returning your attention to the breath for the duration of the practice.
If you practice enough, you’ll intuitively understand the goals aren’t important and are just more unhelpful thoughts.
This is basically how meditation works
Speak for yourself - just makes things worse for me
I’m an experienced meditator. Are you able to articulate why meditation doesn’t work for you?
I’m on meds now, and that helped a lot, but I had several issues:
I felt unable to control my thoughts; I realize you’re supposed to just observe them, but they felt too close and overwhelming
I felt trapped with my thoughts
It didn’t deal with the underlying problem; even if I was able to observe the issues just came back when I stopped
These are all pretty common points of contention for beginners.
Barring extreme cases, like people with psychotic disorders like schizophrenia, I believe meditation is beneficial, and not harmful, for virtually everyone.
I’m certain you’ve experienced a state of flow before and found equanimity in the process.
Meditation at its core is being able to drop back into that experience at your own convenience.
I’m glad that meditation works for you, and that you’re a proponent of it, trying to get others onboard.
I have experienced flow states, but even those were anxious (loss of control feeling is yuck, not freeing)
I had success with guided meditation, but primarily around sleep, which helped mood.
Because of you mentioned sleep-focused meditation, I’m think you aren’t referring to mindfulness meditation.
Maybe you’ve been practising some kind of Zen-Bhuddist meditation, I’m not sure, I’ve only ever spent time practising Mindfulness and Loving Kindness.
Also, maybe we’ve got different definitions of flow state.
What I’m referring to is the feeling of having completely immersed yourself in an activity, to the point where you aren’t verbalising thoughts.
Being anxious during a flow state is a bit of a paradox, as anxiety is a symptom of complex thinking, which is what mindfulness aims to alleviate.
No, I’m aware of the mindfulness stuff. I just mentioned the sleep stuff as an aside. My flow states are usually associated with work or exercise. The former is high stress.though even if the brain is off
It can be demoralizing to try to sit quietly while your brain assaults you with all its shit. Makes practice no fun
This is a very common perspective for beginners.
There are a few things worth unpacking here.
You’ve set yourself a goal, which is antithetical to the nature of meditation.
The goal (which is besides the point) you’ve set is totally unrealistic. For a beginner to sit and let their mind become empty is the equivalent of an average person waking up tomorrow and deciding to run a double marathon.
One reason meditation is helpful is that we become more efficient at letting go of unhelpful thoughts. Your reason for not wanting to do meditation, is the reason you should do meditation. It’s a catch 22.
If you ever decide to try again, it might be helpful to set some realistic goals, temporarily.
See if you can let your mind become as empty as you can, for a whole second. If that’s easy, try two seconds (this is harder than it sounds, but definitely within the capacity of beginners).
Other goals might be to not hold on to any thought for longer than ten seconds before returning your attention to the breath for the duration of the practice.
If you practice enough, you’ll intuitively understand the goals aren’t important and are just more unhelpful thoughts.
I meditate frequently, but that was my experience at the beginning