‘Debating’ relies on a degree of trust that you don’t really get with random people so you’re kinda just talking to a wall unless you have some existing relationship. Like don’t let things slide (irl) just cause you don’t wanna fight about them, but in order to actually change someone’s mind they need to trust that you actually want what’s best for them.
That’s why you use rhetoric, sophistry, dirty tricks, stage magic, appeals to emotion, and physical violence to win “debates”.
Debating about facts with well sourced information and arguments is a bad way to change people’s minds. Scaring them, bullying them, flattering them, misleading them, tricking them, confusing them? Much more reliable.
I mean, from what I understand, yeah, it is better. Reasoned argument not only doesn’t change people’s minds, it often causes them to re-trench in their exsting beliefs to protect their ego and sense of self.
Whereas a good polemic or some rhetoric side-steps that whole thing. Instead of telling them they’re wrong and explaining why you just try to get them real, real angry about something you’re angry about.
‘Debating’ relies on a degree of trust that you don’t really get with random people so you’re kinda just talking to a wall unless you have some existing relationship. Like don’t let things slide (irl) just cause you don’t wanna fight about them, but in order to actually change someone’s mind they need to trust that you actually want what’s best for them.
That’s why you use rhetoric, sophistry, dirty tricks, stage magic, appeals to emotion, and physical violence to win “debates”.
Debating about facts with well sourced information and arguments is a bad way to change people’s minds. Scaring them, bullying them, flattering them, misleading them, tricking them, confusing them? Much more reliable.
Is it actually better though? If you convince someone through those means, they’ll just change their mind for the next person who uses those tactics
I mean, from what I understand, yeah, it is better. Reasoned argument not only doesn’t change people’s minds, it often causes them to re-trench in their exsting beliefs to protect their ego and sense of self.
Whereas a good polemic or some rhetoric side-steps that whole thing. Instead of telling them they’re wrong and explaining why you just try to get them real, real angry about something you’re angry about.