Militant group is ‘waging an all-out war against us’, says one Kabul resident in response to the bizarre rule

In a rambling voice message on Monday, the country’s minister for the promotion of virtue and prevention of vice announced the bizarre new restriction on women’s behaviour.

  • 2ugly2live@lemmy.world
    13·
    9 hours ago

    That’s so fucking weird.

    “Because some of us have not learned personal space, women may not be seen, heard, or spoken of, even by other women. 'Cause they’re scary 🥺”

  • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
    161·
    11 hours ago

    A lot of people want to point at religion but these are conservative sentiments. The Taliban was only popular due to it’s anti-imperialism fighting foreign invaders like the Soviets and US. Now that the people of Afghanistan can turn to internal politics, the can fight to end or reform the Taliban’s oppressive rule. The Taliban is sowing the seeds of their own demise via popular revolution

    • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
      53·
      7 hours ago

      The problem is, they’ve actually successfully reduced corruption from the unjust kleptocracy the US installed. Shits pretty bad when the fucking taliban can come along and create a less corrupt government.

        • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
          1·
          4 hours ago

          https://tradingeconomics.com/afghanistan/corruption-index

          Along with the general removal of US money spigots and the CIA/DOD putting it’s thumb on the scale for corrupt politicians that will collaborate with them. It’s frankly the entire reason the regime folded so fast when the Taliban invaded. Entire divisions of troops were just some guy taking their paychecks and putting it into his pocket after forcing them to sign up. And when everyone is power is just blatantly stealing while being propped up by US agencies for being cooperative, well, it trickles down.

  • 58008@lemmy.worldEnglish
    412·
    16 hours ago

    At what point do we treat this as the hostage situation it really is and do something about it?

    • kerrigan778@lemmy.world
      2·
      5 hours ago

      Never, if the world learned anything from the last 20 years it’s that the only ones who can free Afghanistan are the Afghanis

      • Comment105@lemm.ee
        2·
        3 hours ago

        And they don’t wanna.

        I’d kinda love to see a successful approach to these kinds of issues where the UN would do something like drive protected buses into these areas, where the expectation is an unalienable right to enter those buses, with maybe 2/3rds of the seats reserved for women and children.

        I wonder if any realistic iteration of that could work to get a decent number of would-be refugees out of situations they want out of, maybe a few thousand, ideally tens of thousands if not more.

        It sounds like something that maybe could be made to work if communicated right, but could also meet armed resistance in many places, and there would probably be a lot of men making “their” women stay by force or coercion or lying, probably a lot of hiding inside while the buses pass.

        I wonder if it could be done in a way that makes it worth it. It feels like the sort of rescue the UN should be doing.

        It also feels like it really forces evil men to show their hand, reveal themselves explicitly as captors, and make it far easier to justify killing them, as I believe that is the ethical response to men who hold their wife hostage.

    • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
      61·
      7 hours ago

      Anything shy of eliminating all the conservatives in the region will result in this continuing. This is the natural result of unchecked conservatism. It has metastasized there.

        • Randomgal@lemmy.ca
          4·
          4 hours ago

          No he didn’t. If you look at the US, they are pushing for the same and they are cristo-facists. “Religion” is just an excuse that extremists propagate so that people like you point the finger at anything but them.

    • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
      65·
      16 hours ago

      Got any suggestions? We tried bombing them to the stone Age, we tried training their military to avoid jihadist radicals taking over. The EU court ruled that just being a woman from Afghanistan is enough reason to get asylum. And the people from there that actively committed to lasting difference over the last 2 decades have either left the country, are in hiding or dead. It’s horrific.

        • RubberDuck@lemmy.world
          8·
          9 hours ago

          What morality?

          Allowing training camps for al queda in your country and train their terrorists to spread terror will get you kicked in the teeth? Cause and effect.

          Because as far as I know there was no other reason for the invasion.

          While we where there we did not allow wholesale enslavement of women and some of the other things jihadist would love to do to people when in charge.

          So what of those things do you disagree with, can you enlighten me? Should we have let the terrorists train there? Or should we have let their jihadist laws enslaving women be left on the books while we where there.

      • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
        340·
        15 hours ago

        Username checks out. Still a dumb take that I would expect somewhere in atheistmemes not in a serious community talking about the gender apartheid that a hardcore religious conservative group has imposed. And now it will confuse you that I’m also criticizing them, because who wouldn’t criticize the fucking Taliban, but I’m so tired of this low quality „religion bad“ content when the actual problem is REALLY shitty people.

        Remember the Soviets, remember the Nazis, remember Mao? Those guys hated religion and have caused the deaths of literally hundreds of millions. So you wanna criticize religion, go ahead, but please for the sake of the whole community do it like an adult, not like a 14 year old in atheistmemes.

        • friend_of_satan@lemmy.worldEnglish
          191·
          12 hours ago

          I didn’t say that religion is bad. I said “a religion … treats women like property.” Nobody says that about Jainism. You can’t even say that about satanism. Some religions treat women badly, and others don’t.

          • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
            221·
            14 hours ago

            Yeah look I’m not going to get into pointless discussions about religions that just going to end up like talking about football teams. You wanna criticize religion as a concept feel free to, but you’ll always end up sounding like you’re 12 when you’re painting with such a broad brush over something like 1.5 billion people. You may not notice in this circle jerk or even the circle jerk that is liberal media but people who tend to have strong simplified opinions on one topic usually have them about others as well. I hope you will experience that the world is more complicated than that and hopefully it will make you think.

        • moriquende@lemmy.world
          253·
          15 hours ago

          Does the religion believe in the 72 virgins when you die? Yes. Does the religion prescribe treating women like property? Yes.

          Everything they said is true, not sure why you’re getting triggered?

          • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
            18·
            14 hours ago

            So personality cult and the extremism resulting from it could be the actual problem? I get the point of criticizing the adverse effects that organized religion can have, but especially when it comes to that religion the quality of comments usually goes to elementary school level and it’s not because there’s anything special about it except that you can get into a nice circlejerk because criticizing Islam nowadays is as accepted as it was to criticize Judaism 100 years ago. So again, I’m not saying you can’t criticize religion but for the love of it bring some substance to your argument because as of now I don’t see how this would be any contribution whatsoever to a very serious and disturbing development in Afghanistan.

    • FarFarAway@startrek.websiteEnglish
      6·
      12 hours ago

      I was listening my local radio station and they had a story about how women were banned from speaking in public. One of the guest speakers (mostly, women from Afghanistan) gave a history of how it became like this.

      There were freedom fighters, or Mujahideen, which were trained in jihad against the Soviets. And part of that indoctrination involved physical separation between males and females, including family members, of the boys and men that later became the Taliban. And part of that indoctrination involved the mullahs, or teachers in those seminaries, teaching or indoctrinating the students, all males, that females are the source of temptation to sinful acts.

      There’s more to it in the story / transcript, but that was the basic premise.

    • Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee
      502·
      1 day ago

      Now I’m not the most up to date on politics and the like, so what I am about to say might be pretty controversial, but I’m sorta thinking I agree with you.

    • assembly@lemmy.world
      92·
      1 day ago

      All I’m saying is that SkyNet would never allow that. I vote for SkyNet takeover of humanity.

      • Benjaben@lemmy.world
        20·
        21 hours ago

        Bizarre and unique, the Abrahamics’ specific (yet general enough) characteristics. And evergreen! See only the Mormon church, a recent cult, for example - unbelievably successful. Invented out of whole cloth within the last 200 years. Tax exempt and owns ~4% of the land in the US today, to say nothing of their business interests (cuz it’s even harder to know).

        They venerate Jesus.

        • Randomgal@lemmy.ca
          1·
          4 hours ago

          They don’t? They’re all about Joseph Smith. Jesus is kinda there win the background.

          • Benjaben@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 hours ago

            They revere Joseph Smith for sure (and some other made up folks like Moroni or whatever) but I think it’s incorrect to say Jesus has taken a back seat in their faith. I just toured one of their temples (which they allow only briefly before they consecrate it), JC was everywhere. Not sure I saw any imagery of Joseph Smith, but it was a lot to take in and I may have missed it.

  • Akuchimoya@startrek.website
    22·
    1 day ago

    Looks like it’s time for sign language to rise. Are the Taliban going to say that women can’t move their hands? (How will they serve their masters men otherwise?)