I’m (19F by the way, not like 50) a bad texter. I can be not dry when I want to be, but usually I’m just not up for texting. I really don’t engage with my friends. (I’m asocial).

I don’t participate in their activities. I don’t really ask them how they are, or what their interests are. I don’t even engage in deep discussion with them unless I’m up for it.

When my friend sends a video that reminded her of me or that she finds funny, I don’t click it and just ignore it.

Maybe my friends are growing apart and they text me less because of this, but I’m kind of okay with that because I know they will be there for me when I need it and because I’m genuinely just tired/bored most of the time.

One time, my friend asked me if I’d like to spend time with her, and I just point-blank said “No”. IDK if that’s rude just because I’m being honest and also because it’s not personal, I don’t want to engage with anyone.

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    “Good” and “bad” aren’t very useful here.

    A friend who does not engage in any way is simply not a friend. They don’t become an enemy or whatever: they just drift away until they are simply a person you know.

    To be a friend means to engage. It doesn’t have to be texting, though that is now a dominant communication medium and not some fringe thing anymore that people can just wave away as a modern fad.

    You can engage in person. You can engage by talking on the phone. You can engage by playing games together. But to not engage at all… it makes me wonder what you think friendship is.

    I am “like 50” and I no longer think of friends as “people who are on my side” or “people who know the real me” because all of that can be true even if you haven’t talked in 5 years. If that’s all you want, for someone on earth to be on your side, theoretically, then you’re good.

    But that’s not friendship: you have to engage. If you don’t, you will find that you miss out in growth and change in their lives, and after a very short while, they don’t “know the real you” anymore and you don’t know the real them.

    Life is to be lived. It’s a thing you do.

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    I know they will be there for me when I need it

    Here’s the thing, relationships take work. Not just marriages or romantic ones, they all take work. Effort needs to be made by both parties, or else the relationship will die. I had a friend that affectionately called it “friend work,” where they would spend a bit of time each day putting in the effort needed to maintain a healthy friendship, because if she didn’t, then the relationship would suffer for it.

    Not wanting to engage in the world right now is very common, and downright reasonable considering the general state of things. If a relationship you have with someone is mentally stressing you, or sapping your energy, consider whether or not that relationship is valuable to you, and act accordingly. If the relationship is important to you, and you want it to continue or grow, then you have to put effort into it. If the relationship is one-sided, and feels draining, and you want it to end, then put forth zero effort into it, and it will naturally go away.

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    It seems like you don’t put any effort in the friendship, and expect that your friends “will be there for you”. That’s selfish.

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      You should see her other comments. She thinks her friends are useless and wonders “Why try if you suck at everything?”

      She thinks that she will always be better than her friends and that she’s better than them at sports “without trying”.

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        Do you think this is just a troll or an actual teen? I don’t want to waste my time on trolls.

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          I’m not sure, I knew a mentally ill teen like this. Maybe she is a highly emotionally immature teen.

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    Oh, I remember you, I’ve seen a couple threads from you over the past couple days. So, let’s recap a few of the things I’ve seen you say.

    I view people as more tools than anything

    They also say I’m a bad sport for calling them useless pieces of crap all the time

    I remember one time someone stole the ball from my friend so I called my friend helpless and useless.

    When I see someone being useless, I call them out for it. I will always be better than my friends

    When something I do is considered “wrong” or “bad”, I genuinely don’t consider it morally wrong at all. I only know it’s wrong because someone told me it is, and if their telling me that doesn’t benefit me in some way, I tend to blame them and see them as acting irrationally.

    I call my friends useless and horrible, and I really have no guilt/remorse or sympathy about that. I feel like I can treat them however I want without much remorse. In fact, I feel like most of the time, I’m right to treat people this way.

    I want to maintain a good public image, so i say people should be kind and that bullying is wrong, because it’s been done to me amend doesn’t feel good. But to be honest, I couldn’t care less about how other people feel if it doesn’t impact me.

    I believe I can feel remorse sometimes, such as if they do something that isn’t benefitting me

    That last one really cracks me up. You only feel remorse when someone else does something that doesn’t benefit you. That’s not how remorse works. Remorse is felt when you yourself have done something wrong and are ashamed of it. But based on the things you’ve said, you don’t ever really feel bad about your own actions, maybe at the most giving it a “yeah, I know people say this is wrong”, but it doesn’t look like you ever actually feel it. A lot of what you say reads as the most narcissistic shit I’ve ever seen in my life.

    So to answer your question for this thread. Yes. You are a bad friend. Get therapy. Seriously.

    Or don’t, and I’m sure you’ll have no friends at all soon enough. But I’m sure you’ll be able to rationalize that as being their fault anyway, so don’t worry, you won’t even have to feel any sort of remorse!

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      Wow. This reads like the ramblings of a narcissist, a sociopath, or someone incredibly neurodivergent (I am neurodiverse myself).

      I agree that they should seek therapy to understand themself.

      It could also be that they’re very poor at wording their feelings as I can be like that sometimes and it makes me seem like a nutter, when in fact I just articulated it incorrectly.

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      I don’t think I have narcissism, just ADHD and depression. Is there a way i can have friends without socializing all the time? I’m quite burnt out because I don’t like most people

      • What don’t you like about most people?

        I have ADHD too and exhibit some narcissistic tendencies and I find that I don’t like socialising when I’m tired, struggling to not obsess over a new hobby (like playing a new game, I need to make a conscious effort to see friends and stuff), or just burnt out.

        I like to think that I have a social battery and if I don’t charge that up then I’ll be like this.

        You should pay particular attention to how I said make a conscious effort to see friends. As friendship is a two way relationship and you have to put effort into them.

        It could also be that you have the wrong friend group, unlikely, but possible. I’ve come to realise ghat all my friends of decades, are selfish and don’t make the same considerations as I do when thinking about them. Time keeping for instance. If I was going to pick up a friend I would be on time and I would message them to come out once I’m 1 min away. Whereas my friends will be late, not update me on time scales and tell me to come out when they’re still 10 minutes away. Meaning that they’re not really thinking about my needs and weighing them against their own, and rather are just thinking of themselves.

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        Maybe you are a narcissist and maybe you aren’t, neither of us are actually qualified to make that call. A therapist that you see regularly would be, however. Now, while I say I’m not qualified to make that call, I will say that the shit you say is 100% the same shit a narcissist would.

        Signs of narcissistic personality disorder include exaggerated sense of self-importance (“I will always be better than my friends”), lack of empathy (“I feel like I can treat them however I want without much remorse. In fact, I feel like most of the time, I’m right to treat people this way.”), and a tendency to exploit others (“I view people as more tools than anything”).

        Everything you said that I quoted in my post above is a red flag for narcissism. I could’ve quoted a lot more than I did even, but I figured those would be enough to get the point across.

        Now, as for your question about “can I have friends without socializing all the time,” maybe first you should ask yourself, “Do I actually want friends? Or do I just want more tools I can use?” Cuz I don’t believe that you actually want friends.

        But regardless, whether it’s ADHD and depression, or narcissism, or some combination of all three, the answer remains the same. You need to find a therapist, and you need to do the work. Work on becoming a decent human who actually cares about other people, aside from how they can benefit you, and having friends will liekly follow.

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    Maybe my friends are growing apart and they text me less because of this, but I’m kind of okay with that because I know they will be there for me when I need it

    I have someone I used to be friends with. I’d text her while watching wrestling, and she’d reply.

    Then her replies got shorter and shorter. I’d write a paragraph, and she’d write “Yeah lol”. Eventually she just stopped replying. Eventually I just stopped texting.

    This past Christmas I got a text from her that was clearly mass texted. It was just a “Merry Christmas” thing.

    I looked at it, and realized we hadn’t talked at all in almost 2 years. Why is she texting me this? Do I reply? Is she trying to reopen communication? Then I realized she probably clicked “select all” in her contacts list, and I just happened to still be in there. I didn’t reply.

    When you don’t commicate, you send the message that you don’t want to communicate. I have a rule about friends. If I’m ALWAYS the one starting the conversation, then you clearly don’t care about me. And I stop caring about you over time.

    It’s not that your friends are drifting apart from you. It’s that you’re pushing them away from you. If I asked a friend if they wanted to come out on whatever event to hang out, and they just bluntly and coldly said “No.”, I would take that as an insult. Like, oh, ok. You don’t enjoy my company. Fine then. I’ll go without you.

    And at some point, you push everybody away. Then you wake up one day at 30 years old, and realize you need new friends. Except 30 year olds aren’t out there trying to make friends. And it gets harder and harder progressively as the years go by to make new friends.

    So yeah. I totally see you as being at fault here.

    Instead of saying “No.” just say “No, I need some recharge time.” At least then it’s about you taking care of your own mental health, and not just “Do I want to hang out with YOU? No!”

    See, that moves it away from them being the problem, and lets them understand you just need some alone time. Always remember, every relationship always has at least two sides. You are not the main character in a story.

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      Spot on.

      Only thing I’d change is when turning down an invite, act like you wanted to but can’t (even if the reason is you’re tired).

      “Oh, man, I’d love to go, but I’m wiped. Need to get some sack time”. This may seem disingenuous, but it really isn’t - you’re not going because you need that recharge time, just phrasing it in a way others can understand, and making it clear you’d like to do such things in the future.

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    I would expect that if you continue this, your friends will disengage as well. and no, they will not be there for you if you need it.

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        Because you’ve never been there for them.

        Why do you expect them to do what you can’t be bothered with?

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        Well, if you are never there, then you aren’t there for them. Thus, they will not be there for you in the future, because you haven’t bothered to be there when they needed it.

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    To answer your title? Yes. Aggressively so.

    I don’t participate in their activities.

    That’s fine. There are plenty of friends I don’t share the same activities with.

    I don’t really ask them how they are, or what their interests are.

    One of the core things about being a friend with someone is getting to know them. That means their emotional state and their general interests. If you don’t show any interest in them, why would or should they show any interest in you? It’s a wasted investment.

    I don’t even engage in deep discussion with them unless I’m up for it.

    I mean that’s fine. It’s everything else that’s extremely problematic.

    When my friend sends a video that reminded her of me or that she finds funny, I don’t click it and just ignore it.

    Your friend reached out to say that they thought of you in a moment when they had no real reason to. They’re saying that because they care and want to demonstrate that. By ignoring that, you are telling them that you don’t care about whether or not they are interested in you. Whether you mean that is something else but that is the story you are telling them.

    Maybe my friends are growing apart and they text me less because of this

    Oh they 100% are. No one is going to stay in a one sided relationship for long because it’s a waste of their effort. They care and be emotionally open but get nothing in return except pain. By you not engaging with them when they try to engage with you, that comes off as you having zero interest in them. They’re going to start questioning why they keep talking to you when you don’t talk back. They are going to eventually come to the conclusion that you are not demonstrating any interest in them because you just simply are not interested in them. They will stop talking to you entirely and any memories they’ve had of you will become tarnished in their mind as a one-sided friendship.

    but I’m kind of okay with that because I know they will be there for me when I need it

    You are making an insane gamble here that will not pay off. Why would they ever be there for you? You were never there for them. You didn’t share in the small joys of life that they tried to share with you, why would they want to share in your miseries? They will only see you as a source of negative emotion. They will see you as sucking up their positive vibes towards you and showering them in negative emotion as they get nothing in return. Then they’ll feel used as you only talk to them when you need something from them. They will see you using them for an emotional cushion and realize that the only thing they are to you is a crutch. When they make that realization, they will leave you and never look back.

    and because I’m genuinely just tired/bored most of the time.

    So are most people but we make time and effort for our friends.

    One time, my friend asked me if I’d like to spend time with her, and I just point-blank said “No”.

    I can guarantee you that you hurt the hell of their feelings. Whether or not they said it? They were pretty upset. They offered to spend time with you because they like you and wanted to share in that. Asked if you’d like to spend time with them for the same reason and you rejected it. They aren’t going to know the reason unless you said it so they’re just going to invent a reason. With all of your other behaviors? They’re going to assume that you don’t like them at all and stop trying.

    IDK if that’s rude just because I’m being honest

    No, you’re being a dick. Being honest is telling the truth but that does not mean being aggressively blunt. That does not mean phrasing it in such a way as to hurt someone else or to be emotionally painful. You could have said no in a thousand different ways that would have been just as truthful while also not as hurtful.

    and also because it’s not personal, I don’t want to engage with anyone.

    Then you better not be surprised when no one wants to engage with you.

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    Yes, I feel pretty confident in saying that in this case you are the problem. I have sympathy for antisocial behaviour as I’m that way myself too but you seem just straight up rude if not even mean.

    because I know they will be there for me when I need it

    I wouldn’t count on it.

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    If you’re not interested in talking to them or spending time with them, why do you call them friends?

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    Relationships and conversations require both sides to put in effort, or else they die.

    You say you know that they will be there when you need it, but are you sure? It doesn’t sound like you’re giving them what they need.

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    Sounds like depression to me. Tired and bored all the time are quite classic signs of it. Maybe try and seek some help while you are still young? Before letting it manifest into something bigger

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    When you say friends, what do you think friends are? It sounds like you’re not engaging or taking an interest at all. They sound like acquaintances, people you know. Not friends.

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    I responded to the last time you posted this, that yes you are. I would just stop responding to you. If you don’t want to engage then why respond at all? You can type out this long post but only one worded replies?

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      Well I can talk about my feelings and experiences easily, I’m just bad at communicating with people unless I’m interested in it

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            Socialization is a skill, not a gift. If you want to become strong, you have to work out at the gym, if you want to socialize, you have to interact more with people.

            Very few people are bad at socializing, they’re bad at making an effort to socialize, because it’s painful at the beginning, like working out.

            May be due to a traumatic experience, a pernicious or sheltered environment, even plain laziness; but we are not set in stone, we can change if we want to, and are grown ups enough to live with the consequences if we don’t.

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              Was this a better effort?

              “how are you?”

              “Listening to music.”

              “what band??”

              “Idk. Metallica or something”

              “what song from them? i love metallica”

              “Idk”

              —- “what are you up to today?”

              “Watching TV”

              “what show?”

              “Idk I can’t say”

              Also, do I actually type like a 50-year-old?

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                you don’t type like a 50 year old, you type like someone who’s not interested in having a conversation

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                Of course not, if I was chatting with you I’d feel like I was bothering you.

                • “How are you?”
                • “Listening to music”
                • “What band?”
                • “It’s on shuffle, I think it’s Metallica”
                • “What song from them? I love Metallica”
                • “IDK, let me check. It’s ‘Sad But True’. I think it’s actually good”.

                —-

                • “What are you up to today?”
                • “Watching TV”
                • “What show?”
                • “It’s Rick and Morty, but don’t tell anyone”
                • “Why?”
                • “I’m afraid others will think I’m an incel or something”

                My mom and mother-in-law are in their 80s, and they’re not great texters but you can tell they’re making an effort, and that counts a lot. It’s not about caring about how well you text, but how a series of dry answers might make your friends feel like a nuisance.

                You need to “groom” others to care about you so they tolerate antisocial behaviors, but not all people can be groomed this way.

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                  My new response as “I’M WATCHING. A MOVIE!!!” :)

                  My friend just asked if I was ok.

                  Update: I said “NOOOO.” and she blocked me??

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                Not really better. How do you not know what you’re doing? Did the show just randomly come on when you turned on the TV/Metallica song came up in a playlist?

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            If you don’t like socializing, you won’t have friends. Those things go hand-in-hand.

            Maybe examining why you feel this way about socializing would help. Do you really not enjoy all socializing, or just certain things?

            Socializing is a major part of life, you could almost say it’s “The Thing”. I’m not saying you need to go throw on a lampshade every day, just that we’re all engaging with each other every day. You may talk to a sibling for a while, then a friend, have lunch with a coworker, take a walk with someone from a class to discuss what you’re not getting.

            Without socializing, we may as well go live in a cave, and that’s not good (nor realistic).