• pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 hours ago

    You really need job regulations. In my country if you gonna fire someone you have to pay a lot of money, this way companies think twice.

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      7 hours ago

      That’s true in the US too. If someone is fired without cause, the company has to pay unemployment.

      I’ve been the manager of completely shitty, toxic people who cause harm to the company and lead to massive turnover of other staff, but was unable to fire them because they showed up on time and met dress code, and corporate wasn’t gonna pay for unemployment.

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          3 hours ago

          “Being toxic” is hard to define in an employee handbook.

          “We don’t like you” isn’t not considered good cause for termination. It’s 100% legal to fire someone for that, but they get to claim unemployment.

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        7 hours ago

        Do you have to pay unemployment if they’re fired with cause? Because I’ve definitely seen (and experienced) constructive dismissal over some very petty things.

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          3 hours ago

          No. But aside from failure to show up on time or theft it can be hard to document cause.

          Constructive dismissal is an employer trying to get an employee to quit specifically to avoid having to show cause. If the employee quits, then the burden of proof is on them, not the employer.

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            2 hours ago

            Apologies, I guess my terminology is incorrect.

            What I meant is that I’ve seen people written up for vaping ~2 feet too close to the back door or showing up <5 minutes late or any number of other frivolous things in hopes of avoiding unemployment payments.