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    Underwhelming, sure. I don’t think it’s the same thing as actively damaging the country on behalf of Russia.

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        The argument you are getting and setting here seems to be a domestic one primarily, but I think from a foreign policy perspective it becomes much clearer, especially given what this post is about.

        US global hegemony after WWII rests on a several aspects, a few key ones of which are free trade with US dollar as the world reserve currency, a system of international alliances, and resulting from that the ability to have bases all over the world for immediate power projection anywhere.

        Trump is practically giving all of that away for no discernable reason whatsoever. He basically just publicly announced to all of Americas allies that your word, like as a country, is worth nothing.

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          And how has any of that damaged us? Give me some real world examples, not theory. What has changed? How are we damaged?

          My day isn’t any different. I’m doing and feeling awesome. What damage has Trump caused?

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              I think they are doing an awesome job. And so do the people who voted for him. Which so happens to be the majority of the voting public by the way. So seems a LOT of people disagree with you.

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                You can think they are, doesn’t make it true. A lot of people are regretting their vote, less than half of voters wanted trump. I’m happy that fascists, and their supporters disagree with me.

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                  A lot of people are regretting their vote

                  A lot of people are not regretting their vote.

                  If less than half of voters wanted trump, then how did you all lose the election?!

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                    Sure there are!

                    Also. This may come as a surprise to you. There are in fact more than 2 parties lol

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            It has damaged your reputation as a country. It hasn’t damaged you domestically (yet), which is why I advised looking at it from a foreign policy perspective.

            And make no mistake, just giving up on global hegemony will hurt you domestically as well in the long run. Not that I’m opposed to it, on the contrary actually, it just strikes me as utterly misguided since it’s done for selfish, and I think foolish, reasons.

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              It has damaged your reputation as a country

              I don’t care about that. You all can fix your own shit. If you don’t like how we do something, then you all fucking do it. Everyone shit on us anyway. lololol

              And make no mistake, just giving up on global hegemony will hurt you domestically as well in the long run

              I don’t think so. We were carrying too much of the load and you all just bitched at us constantly. Now you can take care of your own shit.

              Again, if your country doesn’t like how we did something, then do it yourself.

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                I don’t care about that. You all can fix your own shit. If you don’t like how we do something, then you all fucking do it.

                You know what, if that is how you feel, fair enough actually. I just don’t think that’s how your former and current governments, including Trump, really feel about it.

                I don’t think so.

                You don’t think losing the US dollar as the world reserve currency would hurt you economically? Because that’s where this is going.

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                  just don’t think that’s how your former and current governments, including Trump, really feel about it.

                  Then you have nothing to worry about, right?

                  Because that’s where this is going.

                  Hasn’t happened yet.

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                    Then you have nothing to worry about, right?

                    The thing that worries me is that Trump seems to be consistently acting against the best interest of US foreign policy.

                    Hasn’t happened yet.

                    Alea iacta est.

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        Exactly by what Trump and Musk are doing. Are you not keeping track of all the shit your heroes are doing? Damaging regulations, education, research, environment, consumer protection, security, immigration, freedom of press, etc. Social security and Medicare are next…

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          I like what they are doing so far. And so are the people who vote them in. They were voted in to do this stuff. It’s great.

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                I want you to name one thing that US has benefitted from so far in this administration. A tangible benefit. I can tell you what has NOT been touched:

                • “DAY 1 I WILL SULVE INFLAYSHUN”
                • “DAY 1 I WILL STOP RUSHYA”
                • “DAY 1 I WILL STAHP CHYYNAH”
                • “DAY 1 WE WILL KUT TWOO TRILLYUNN FRUM BUDDGYET”

                Trump is still looking for his healthcare plan from 10 years ago, and he’s already forgotten the “concept of a plan” he lied about during the debates. Is infrastructure week still on its way as well?

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                  How has the US not benefited from his admin? He’s cutting govt and waste. That’s awesome stuff. I like him!

                  He’s doing exactly the things people voted him in to do. He’s making the majority of his voters happy.

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                    He hasn’t done shit. He’s fucking with people who are responsible for less than 1% of the government budget in areas he personally doesn’t like. He’s not helping anyone but Elon Musk. Why don’t you ask when he’s going to start saving real money and finding them trilleeyuns he claimed they’d already identified, buddy?

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                What exactly is “good” about weakening the US on the international stage, being overtly corrupt, not helping unfortunate people, getting rid of meetings for flu vaccines. Deporting Americans, weakening the economy, allowing unelected people access to secret information, weakening cyber security. The list goes on.

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                  I don’t think the US has been weakened at all. I don’t think they are corrupt. What “unfortunate people” are you talking about? I thinking getting rid of meetings for flu vaccines is a good thing–they were a waste of time. What “americans” have been deported? I don’t think the economy has been weakened. Unelected people access secret info all the time. Most agency workers are not “elected.” Cyber security hasn’t been weakened.

                  I don’t agree with anything you have said. You are just made that Trump won. lol

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                    You don’t have to think that the us is weakened. It doesn’t change the fact that the once allies are looking elsewhere. Unfortunate people, down on their luck, folks who need Medicare and medicaid. How is Healthcare a waste of time? Preventable diseases aren’t wasting time.

                    Here is an example.

                    https://www.latimes.com/archives/story/2018-04-27/ice-held-an-american-man-in-custody-for-1273-days

                    Again, just because you don’t think something doesn’t make it untrue. The dow is down in the last month, but that does fluctuate all the time.

                    Yes but they are public service people, subject to the rules and regulations of the office. Not Moscow musk.

                    That’s the neat part, you don’t have to agree with anything, you can think the world is flat, or the moon landing was fake, it doesn’t change the truth. Yes I am mad trump won. I don’t like fascists, neither should you.