The great fear we should all have is Trump somehow manages a rapprochement with Russia, a team-up in as you say a new imperialist order, bringing Russia into the club while shoving Europe out to arm’s length. Putin may not wish to allow this but he’s old and if he doesn’t die in the coming years anyways he could be pushed aside.
Should that happen and a few more things along with it that see to China’s encirclement and isolation, it is one of those big things that could lead to the defeat of socialism and locking in of barbarism in a post-climate-change world.
And one of the reasons I am not willing to say the US is cooked or fucked just yet. This is an ace they could yet pull out and the Russian bourgeoisie might let them have it for a mere equal partnership and dividing or profits.
Securing Russia’s cooperation would be enough to enable totally isolating China from the world economy and turning the screws on them. They’d have the island chains, first and second to contain them via sea. They’d have hostile India to the west, instability carefully engineered for decades in west Asia/middle east to disrupt the belt and road with a big assist from their colonial outpost “isn’treal” which despite all our hopes is riding pretty high on success lately with Iran meaningfully weakened, more weak in regional power, friends, influence than they have been in decades. If they lock down Russia as well China has no real routes to ship and receive goods to and from Africa, to and from Europe, etc.
IF the capitalists have them in that position they can fuck their proletariat and their consumer economies by hard decoupling because it won’t matter, because they’ll just exploit their workers at home harder, they’ll ‘friendshore’ to India and some back to the US and perhaps a more desperate and weakened EU that’s gutted all its social welfare. Things won’t be as good, quality will be down, there will be various problems, increased costs but a lot of this can be passed onto consumers and there may yet be no serious falling rate of profit consequences worse than those they were already bearing.
China has a very dangerous path ahead. I really hope Russia doesn’t join with the west. I hope honestly at this point that deranged anti-Russia democrats get back into power in 4 years and ruin any and all progress but given how the bourgeoisie are lining up behind Trump and this shift I have my doubts that they’re not all in on this.
This will also be a moment to test whether theories of imperialism can apply to China depending on their complicity with any such alliance.
This is however absurd. China is not imperialist, they will not willingly be imperialist. They are trying their hardest to free the world of imperialism and they will not be invited to any speculative US-Russia imperialism club or offered a seat there as there are no extra profits to be shared by the western capitalists who are desperate at this point because of the falling rates of profit and collapsing neo-colonialism.
That is pretty much it, and it’s ironic that the Democrats antagonising Putin at every turn (see Bernie Sanders calling him a “murderer” in every speech) might benefit the world by preventing that alliance. I think at this point we shouldn’t stake all our hopes on China for international revolution.
This is however absurd. China is not imperialist, they will not willingly be imperialist. They are trying their hardest to free the world of imperialism and they will not be invited to any speculative US-Russia imperialism club or offered a seat there as there are no extra profits to be shared by the western capitalists who are desperate at this point because of the falling rates of profit and collapsing neo-colonialism.
I wouldn’t argue that China is imperialist in character right now, though its economy certainly benefits to a certain extent from the North-South divide and the dependent capitalist economies of peripheral countries. Its bourgeoisie also engages in capital exportation and financialization for hyper-exploited sectors, for example in ride-sharing apps or soybean farming. But it’s not imperialist in character simply because its state apparatus does not enforce this dependency by any means and it respects foreign nations when they intervene in their own economies.
But in case these shifting alliances ever create the occasional alignments where Russia and the US enforce conditions for Chinese bourgeois profipts with no intervention from the Party, I believe it would be fair to see China as complicit in imperialism. Though I already don’t think the Russia alignment is likely, this one is more a worry than anything.
Honestly this makes me genuinely depressed to think about if they succeed. Is there no hope for us, if at every single time humans try to overthrow capitalism, the imperialist powers crush us?
Even if Russia and Amerikkka were to align for a mutual imperialist project, the working class keeps getting shafted with violent laws that make workers lose access to healthcare, education, unemployment benefits, housing, employment, etc. on a daily basis. Even if these nations stave off recession, workers are getting screwed over and only the bourgeoisie benefit. Even if fascism comes first, we’re still facing multiple crises like climate change, multiple crises that will still radicalize workers, but we have to organize. We can’t depend on China to save us. We can’t just sit and wait for world socialism to take over this settler nation. We can’t just hope for the fall of Amerikkka on its own.
Even if it does fall, we need to organize to bring upon a vanguard party that will give us an alternative to revolt and replace the warlords in power. Join PSL, FRSO, or start or join a local ML-favorable organization to help those around you (even if the organization isn’t perfect, though PSL has improved since the sexual allegations that keep being brought up here. I believe it has other problems, but those can be fixed over time, and the same applies to FRSO). Help the immigrants, trans, lgbt, minorities, poor workers, disabled folk, and other marginalized people. Just get up and rage on. (And if you are already doing so,) Don’t lose hope, but don’t let hope leave you complacent and distract you from bringing change to your community. Helping workers keep their heads above water while awakening their class consciousness eventually helps the working class gain political power.
Even if the odds are against us, we might as well fight as hard as we can with what we have left to potentially tip the scales and push humanity to a different course. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
The fight for socialism will never die. No matter how many times capitalists bring us down, we can still get back up until humanity goes extinct. Perhaps both the Russians and Amerikkkans will revolt near the same time and one day we'll see a USSR2 and the end of Amerikkka and a new seed planted in Turtle Island.
Not saying Turtle Island will be the nation as it is a myth, just describing the continent and recognizing a socialist society will be something that replaces this colonized, demonic, imperialist, savage hellhole and return autonomy to the Black Belt and the Indigenous lands.
Thank you.
The great fear we should all have is Trump somehow manages a rapprochement with Russia, a team-up in as you say a new imperialist order, bringing Russia into the club while shoving Europe out to arm’s length. Putin may not wish to allow this but he’s old and if he doesn’t die in the coming years anyways he could be pushed aside.
Should that happen and a few more things along with it that see to China’s encirclement and isolation, it is one of those big things that could lead to the defeat of socialism and locking in of barbarism in a post-climate-change world.
And one of the reasons I am not willing to say the US is cooked or fucked just yet. This is an ace they could yet pull out and the Russian bourgeoisie might let them have it for a mere equal partnership and dividing or profits.
Securing Russia’s cooperation would be enough to enable totally isolating China from the world economy and turning the screws on them. They’d have the island chains, first and second to contain them via sea. They’d have hostile India to the west, instability carefully engineered for decades in west Asia/middle east to disrupt the belt and road with a big assist from their colonial outpost “isn’treal” which despite all our hopes is riding pretty high on success lately with Iran meaningfully weakened, more weak in regional power, friends, influence than they have been in decades. If they lock down Russia as well China has no real routes to ship and receive goods to and from Africa, to and from Europe, etc.
IF the capitalists have them in that position they can fuck their proletariat and their consumer economies by hard decoupling because it won’t matter, because they’ll just exploit their workers at home harder, they’ll ‘friendshore’ to India and some back to the US and perhaps a more desperate and weakened EU that’s gutted all its social welfare. Things won’t be as good, quality will be down, there will be various problems, increased costs but a lot of this can be passed onto consumers and there may yet be no serious falling rate of profit consequences worse than those they were already bearing.
China has a very dangerous path ahead. I really hope Russia doesn’t join with the west. I hope honestly at this point that deranged anti-Russia democrats get back into power in 4 years and ruin any and all progress but given how the bourgeoisie are lining up behind Trump and this shift I have my doubts that they’re not all in on this.
This is however absurd. China is not imperialist, they will not willingly be imperialist. They are trying their hardest to free the world of imperialism and they will not be invited to any speculative US-Russia imperialism club or offered a seat there as there are no extra profits to be shared by the western capitalists who are desperate at this point because of the falling rates of profit and collapsing neo-colonialism.
That is pretty much it, and it’s ironic that the Democrats antagonising Putin at every turn (see Bernie Sanders calling him a “murderer” in every speech) might benefit the world by preventing that alliance. I think at this point we shouldn’t stake all our hopes on China for international revolution.
I wouldn’t argue that China is imperialist in character right now, though its economy certainly benefits to a certain extent from the North-South divide and the dependent capitalist economies of peripheral countries. Its bourgeoisie also engages in capital exportation and financialization for hyper-exploited sectors, for example in ride-sharing apps or soybean farming. But it’s not imperialist in character simply because its state apparatus does not enforce this dependency by any means and it respects foreign nations when they intervene in their own economies.
But in case these shifting alliances ever create the occasional alignments where Russia and the US enforce conditions for Chinese bourgeois profipts with no intervention from the Party, I believe it would be fair to see China as complicit in imperialism. Though I already don’t think the Russia alignment is likely, this one is more a worry than anything.
Honestly this makes me genuinely depressed to think about if they succeed. Is there no hope for us, if at every single time humans try to overthrow capitalism, the imperialist powers crush us?
Even if Russia and Amerikkka were to align for a mutual imperialist project, the working class keeps getting shafted with violent laws that make workers lose access to healthcare, education, unemployment benefits, housing, employment, etc. on a daily basis. Even if these nations stave off recession, workers are getting screwed over and only the bourgeoisie benefit. Even if fascism comes first, we’re still facing multiple crises like climate change, multiple crises that will still radicalize workers, but we have to organize. We can’t depend on China to save us. We can’t just sit and wait for world socialism to take over this settler nation. We can’t just hope for the fall of Amerikkka on its own.
Even if it does fall, we need to organize to bring upon a vanguard party that will give us an alternative to revolt and replace the warlords in power. Join PSL, FRSO, or start or join a local ML-favorable organization to help those around you (even if the organization isn’t perfect, though PSL has improved since the sexual allegations that keep being brought up here. I believe it has other problems, but those can be fixed over time, and the same applies to FRSO). Help the immigrants, trans, lgbt, minorities, poor workers, disabled folk, and other marginalized people. Just get up and rage on. (And if you are already doing so,) Don’t lose hope, but don’t let hope leave you complacent and distract you from bringing change to your community. Helping workers keep their heads above water while awakening their class consciousness eventually helps the working class gain political power.
Even if the odds are against us, we might as well fight as hard as we can with what we have left to potentially tip the scales and push humanity to a different course. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
The fight for socialism will never die. No matter how many times capitalists bring us down, we can still get back up until humanity goes extinct. Perhaps both the Russians and Amerikkkans will revolt near the same time and one day we'll see a USSR2 and the end of Amerikkka and a new seed planted in Turtle Island.
Not saying Turtle Island will be the nation as it is a myth, just describing the continent and recognizing a socialist society will be something that replaces this colonized, demonic, imperialist, savage hellhole and return autonomy to the Black Belt and the Indigenous lands.