Update: Due to overwhelming support for defederation, we will be going through with that at 12am Moscow time (approx. 8hrs from now). Thanks to everyone who provided their feedback.
It’s come to our attention that the admins of europe.pub are allowing pro-genocide rhetoric and Nazi propaganda to be freely posted on their instance.
Additionally, the main perpetrator has been promoted to moderator on the Poland@europe.pub comm where they consistently post pro-ukrainian-nazi propaganda and wish death upon the Russian people.
Due to these factors and the unwillingness of europe.pub admins to act, we are holding a vote to defederate from their instance. Please comment with either an emote or yes/no to the question: should we defederate from europe.pub?
or “Yes” - Defederate
or “No” - Remain federated
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The only activity on that instance is the admin, the nazi and hexbears.
Who needs Europe when Indonesia exists
GOOD bit
These are the 11 people at the table seated around the nazi letting them talk and hanging on to every word.
You’ll get banned like me for saying that to their German admin’s face lol.
“Calls everyone a nazi who disagrees with them”
> looks inside
> Holocaust denier
It’s even funnier that it took as long as it did for this whole thing to snowball considering that banderite has been posting nazi shit from day one on the EU pub’s Ukraine comm purely because I removed that comm on our end God knows when because it was filled with banderite nonsense.
banderite has been posting nazi shit from day one on the EU pub’s Ukraine comm
Speaking of which, if anyone wants to take a tour of that space to see what’s in the box, I’ve unilaterally un-removed the Ukraine comm so people can see what they’ve been missing out on from the comfort of their hexbear account instead of having to go onto the awful europub UI.
Additionally, the main perpetrator has been promoted to moderator on the Poland@europe.pub comm where they consistently post pro-ukrainian-nazi propaganda and wish death upon the Russian people.
The real fucked up thing is being a mod of a Polish comm while denying war crimes perpetuated against Polish people. This is how far gone the admins are in “sticking it to Putler.”
lol, this fucking person even came over here to defend her favorite nazi collaborators. https://hexbear.net/comment/6220999
The admin also basically admitted they made her a mod to troll people who didn’t like fascist rhetoric.
Comments are still open for any good anti-fascist to get their sucker punches in before the buzzer
No, because reform and opening up must continue.
If an instance is making it more difficult to maintain a safe space for marginalized people on hexbear, that’s when it needs to be axed. But it seems to me that a lot of these “yes, defederate!” arguments are more just about how obviously wrong and bad the mods and admins of these other instances are. And yes, they are wrong and bad, they’re fucking disgusting. But by cutting ourselves off from ever being able to even see the shit they post, are we helping hexbear be a better place, or are we only making it so our correct analyses and perspectives are seen by even fewer people (including lurkers and potential comrades on the sidelines)? I’m not saying I have the answer to that question, I do lean more towards it being the latter, but maybe I’m wrong.
The most interesting threads to me are often the ones where hexbears, lemmygraders, and some .ml’s are schooling the libs and tearing down the fash. When we defederate from the instances where said libs and fash think they won’t get any pushback, we not only make it so those threads don’t happen for us anymore (and I respect those who prefer that, dgmw), it also makes it so all that disgusting shit goes more unopposed on the rest of the “lemmyverse.” It also makes it so our comrades on .ml, those who do speak up to counter the lies, are more likely to get dogpiled into silence without hexbears even knowing, let alone being able to come to their aid in the posting trenches.
It looks like this is already a landslide for “yes” but I still just have to say that I feel like by doing that we’re just making it easier for them and (while it might seem parodoxical) worse in the long run for us, for reasons similar to what others like @Babs@hexbear.net and @SevenSkalls@hexbear.net already said elsewhere in this thread.
I wish all nazi collaborators a very nice defed immediately
europe.ppb
I don’t have strong feelings either way. They’ll probably defed from us on their own eventually.
Nie mam siły patrzeć na takich kompletnych debili, weźcie się kurwa pozbądźcie ich żebym mógł znowu lurkować w spokoju. Nie mam jakiegokolwiek zamiaru widzieć takiego gówna sortując po
A poza tym kim ona jest, żeby zarządzać społeczność o Polsce? Czy ona nawet umię gram polskiego? Czy jest zaznajomina z naszą kulturą (lub jej brakiem lol), realiami politycznimi i ten teges? Jakby z takim podejściem do Rosji to pasowała by w sam raz do naszych libków ale chuj, tylko tyle ją łączy na pierwszy rzut oka. Jakby też, co to kurwa za posty, powinna pisać w społeczności ukraińskiej czy coś.
Ingles?
Nie chcę mi się kurwa, poradzisz se. Mądra z ciebie morda.
Just like clockwork, the Ukrainian fascist who’s now in charge of the Polish comm @bonnashejve@europe.pub is silencing actual Polish citizens to push her genocidal historically revisionist propaganda in a vain effort to silence and bury the truth that the heroes the current Ukrainian regime worships was as murderous and genocidal as the German Nazis they worked for as Schweinehund cronies
Dobry boże, daj mi siły, najwyraźniej nie jestem p*lakiem. (chiałbym ngl)
Like it fucking tempts me to take a photo of a written note with todays date, my passport’s cover, and The Polish Glass™ lol, but eh what’s it gonna fucking do
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I’m just mad their jackass admin deleted my refutation of that banderite when I posted the full source of Władysław Filar Article titled “Antypolskie akcje nacjonalistów ukraińskich” in full Polish, in respect to the fact its a Polish Community that should be filled with Polish language, and not with a bunch of Ukrainian fascist nonsense.
Source of article below.
The arc of history is long but it kurwas towards justice
They were just doing a drive to try to get people to mod for that comm. As we know they settled for a fascist, which makes them no better. I’m sure they wouldn’t have allowed any communist (read: “aUtHoRiTaRiAn”) Pole into the position. But if you made an .ml account and most importantly, hid your power levels, they might let you onto the small mod team, especially if they were having as hard a time as they claimed finding any takers. Your fluency would probably go a long ways with winning them over. Obviously you’d have to actually want to take on the hassle of doing it, and playing a part for a while, but I don’t know, some people would find that fun and amusing. If you made it on, just playing the “fair and balanced” card, I’d bet you could help ensure some actual reality makes it through rather than every single good comment getting removed. Just a thought.
Yeah would be fun I guess, but I’m a dirty grass touching org member now. Unfortunately I’ve got important things to do, rather than worry about some random ass forum on the internet. I’ll just stick to posting on here from time to time.
Without a doubt, that’s the healthier, better option.
Still
tho
Very
Also does anyone know about feddit.uk’s apparent refederation? Did they walk back their transphobia?
Yes, see their new much stricter guidelines on transphobia here. Due to that and blahaj choosing to refed with them, they were readded to the allow list
Interesting that Blahaj is mentioned here. Is there any hope of us refedding with them someday I wonder
I talked about it with Ada and she said she would put up a vote on their end and we would on ours but since she never did I assume she has no interest in refederation.
This was with the caveat that hexbear blocks the 196 community
Yeah, ada sees it as her project, not a group project for the whole trans community. Marcie has tried many times to get us back together on something but it always explodes cause of Ada’s ego. Typical when a lib gets control of a trans space, really.
This is basically why I think it would be good for us to take a big first public step. Libs are almost always willing to cave to optics and I think our trans community voting strongly in favor of refed hurts the optics enough that Ada would be forced to capitulate.
Although now that I posted this she could just go find this post and say SEE HEXBEAR TANKIE MODMINS ARE MANIPULATING THE TRANS COMMUNITY or something as if we aren’t part of it.
I dunno. I just like Blahaj and think it’s such a shame that we don’t hang out anymore.
Also sorry for hijacking this thread. I’ll stop now
We had a big thing where we were trying to replicate r/diy or r/transsurgeries from reddit on a separate 3rd instance, Marcie got like 15 people in the same chat who were interested in working on it then ada pulled the plug on it basically when they weren’t all going to do 100% exactly as she said essentially. Oh well 🤷♀️
Yeah, the main issue was she wasn’t prioritizing the right things. A trans surgery comm would require a lot more privacy than a normal comm. we were proposing one that would function as an isolated comm which we could add people more carefully to after some basic screening process but she wanted it to be pretty open in terms of federation.
She wanted to prioritize growth over privacy and that was the biggest issue
8·5 days agoHer idea was never going to work while hexbear and blahaj was defederated, on a technical level.
It would be nice if we could just whitelist specific comms between us, like trans mutual aid/support comms or relatively light-hearted comms like /c/cute (shameless plug).
ada pulled the plug on it basically when they weren’t all going to do 100% exactly as she said essentially
thats a common behavior with her
Sad
I thought they had a schism
Yea I would also block the new one it’s just as reactionary and idealist
the schism just lead to 3 comms who are exactly the same
Might be worth doing on our end anyway. Show a good faith effort. It’s slightly performative but I think if our community shows overwhelming support for reconciliation it might put some pressure on. I mean maybe the Blahaj community hates us and we show support for it and they just laugh at us and if so, fine, but I’m usually in favor of being the bigger person and showing up first.
Or maybe our community is like fuck no and okay. Either way I think putting in the effort doesn’t hurt. Although I know you’re always putting in a lot of effort in a lot of places so maybe this isn’t the best use of your time right now either.
Just my 2
Unfortunately we’ve tried many times in the past at this point, the issue isn’t on our side
The past 2 or even 3 times I’ve called for a vote for lemmy.blahaj.zone federation it’s been an overwhelming “no” but I’m always open to another!
Oh interesting. My vibe check is clearly wrong, it happens
I mentioned this elsewhere, but would there be any easy way to have limited federation? Like trans-specific comms and non-contentious stuff.
Sure but I don’t think Ada wants to, another user recommended a vote so I can look at what lbz communities to remove and we can go from there
This was with the caveat that hexbear blocks the 196 community
I thought the original mods left? Do the new mods hate us too?
I understand and accept why we de federated from them initially but it still makes me sad that the two biggest explicitly pro-trans instances are separated. I still hope someday we can settle any differences, especially considering certain elements pushing division are no longer there.
Then I’ll be able to post in the boykisser comm from my normal hexbear account.
Same on all counts. Blahaj pls open your minds up to the possibility that maybe we can be friends someday
Well, if I remember correctly it was us that decided to defed initially and I felt the reasons for it were valid at the time. Again, though, things have changed since and I’d be curious to hear opinions here from people why or why not we should refed with them.
- We struggle less among ourselves when there is some chum in the water. Bully the Banderites until they cut us off.
EU libs getting cozy with fascists as a ‘joke’
