I’ve seen the truth with my own eyes, but all the things I believed before must still somehow be true and I couldn’t have possibly been lied to.
I can imagine it’s jarring when one is so deep in the Capitalist propaganda that is essentially done so from birth (as any society lol, in regards to ruling ideas). Though, it is another thing to ask this question on the same subreddit (i presume)(or reddit in general) that propagates this narrative in the first place. Loved the Uygher mom part though. Western propaganda usually has no real world evidence in the first place (or is literally a projection of Western cruelty).
*I feel like this is a good opportunity, even for one individual, to help connect to them and break the narrative. Perhaps. Idk
Don’t believe your lying eyes!
Well. Apparently it’s not even enough for people to literally go there themselves lmao.
When you start from the axiomatic assumption that the anti-China propagandists cannot be lying, you have to assume that it is reality itself that is lying to you.
And that has to come from a racist bias against China. How else do you account for this kind of mentality?
It can be that. But more often i think it’s western chauvinism. The belief that whatever its flaws, the West’s system has to be ultimately morally superior, and therefore any system that is different has to be somehow worse. You have to believe there is something about those other systems that is sinister or evil, or else it would be too painful admitting to yourself that you live in the worse system, and that the suffering you endure (and cause to others) is not actually necessary and unavoidable because the alternatives are not all worse.
So you can admit that the government and media are lying to you about the things they are doing in your country, but surely they cannot be lying about other countries too, because then you would no longer have anything to hang onto that makes you feel superior.
China is just the biggest of the foreign “others” in the present day, but it’s not exclusive to China. You see the same willigness to believe propaganda about Russia, Iran, DPRK, etc.
The amount of denial that props this mentality up also props up a huge worldview full of predicates and presuppositions. It’s like cracking through the Kariba Dam, the resulting flood has a cascade effect, but since this dam neither can’t hold nor should be maintained indefinitely it’s better to break it earlier rather than later to clear away the wreckage.
“I don’t doubt they are doing it but yeah I doubt it”
The liberal brain at work. At least this one is trying to use more than a single brain cell
And these anticommunists have the nerve to liken the People’s Republic of China to the Third Reich. Ordinary people couldn’t just enter the Axis’s ghetti whenever they wanted, and even when they did it was obvious that the inmates were miserable. The people trapped in those awful ghetti would have loved living in contemporary Xinjiang had it been possible for them to travel there.
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I would say, this is about how someone talks when they are in a cult and they’re wanting out, but they’re also afraid to be ostracized for doing so. Which I sort of mean literally, not just as analog to cults. In my estimation, the western empire acts quite a lot like a cult as narrative and loyalty goes. It’s all “rah rah individualism believe what you want to believe” about up until the point you don’t buy into the lies told about one of its current “enemy” countries; the qualification for enemy country being like “their leadership doesn’t bow to the western empire” and their “scary oppressive leadership style” being like “trying their damnedest for peace and diplomacy”.
In my estimation, the western empire acts quite a lot like a cult as narrative and loyalty goes.
You’ve really hit the nail on the head. It is exactly like a cult. Up to and including the threat of very real and brutal consequences as a result of ostracization by the cult.
See: EU extrajudicial sanctions against people who have a different opinion on Russia-Ukraine than the one allowed.
They will literally try to starve you and your family with no trial and no legal recourse. And people in the cult will justify and celebrate it.
Liberals, who claim to love science, when presented with scientific evidence that directly contradicts what they’ve been told:
Someone who can still manage to not get banned on reddit should really lean on this guy. “Dont trust your eyes! Trust the people who said there were WMDs in Iraq! Trust the people who say nothing bad is happening in Gaza!”
Pretty clear example of cognitive dissonance, hope the OP can overcome it in a positive way and not regress into anti-china brainrot.
“You are in the position of a flat earther on the space station” - Random Redditor
I want to know how people commented
It’s r/China so it’s actually pretty good for Reddit standards. I liked this comment in particular:
You are now in the position of a flat earther on the space station. You can see with your own eyes the shape of the earth. So why are you insisting it’s flat?
I didn’t know that sub was good. Most non-Western country subreddits are just filled with English speakers who are Gusanos or l the equivalent to Gusanos from that country.
It used to be really bad and filled with anti-China Westoids. Interestingly, most of them dissapeared in the last few years coinciding with the USAID and NED semi-defunding.
In order for this kind of person to improve they’d have to admit something. All they do is whatever master tells them to. And this really annoys them, they can’t do anything about it. If they targeted me directly I would prove them right. That’s why they need something like the state to murder me instead. That’s why they hate all states.
Whenever they’re confronted with this reality they suffer a wound, in order to escape that they either need the comfort of a fellow cultist, they turn to self-harm, lashing out on others, substance abuse etc. On some occasions some of them manage to escape, but it’s highly unlikely when their material reality is built to reinforce their maladaptive behaviors.
Think of the people you love the most in your life, would you be willing to let go of them? Would you be willing to snitch on your family because they committed fraud? The story of Morozov was demonized relentlessly when I went through school. “Look how evil the commies were, they even taught to report their own family to the cops, for doing crime! Family>Everyone else! >:(”
I did so much dancing in the street in Xinjiang. Not like the usual Chinese street square dancing that you get in public areas, this shit was all chaotic twirling and what not. It was great
That’s awesome! I’m not into dancing personally but i do think it looks cool. Definitely good exercise, keeps you healthy that’s for sure.
I love how there are always old people dancing and exercising in public in China in the mornings and evenings.
Wish we had that here. But for one thing we don’t really have the public spaces for it the way China does, and also you would 100% have someone making a complaint to the police about you if you tried gathering people together in the middle of a city for that. They’d probably tell you you can’t play loud music and that you need a permit as a registered sport club. Once again the irony of the realization that China has more freedom than we do in the West…
