Yeah, but Biden doesn’t agree with literally every single view I have on everything, so they’re both the same.
I swear, the new Communist push is just an alt-right front to get Tea Party Republicans in office again. Every time someone points out a random conservative or warhawk thing Biden did and says he’s literally worse than Trump, I die inside.
If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it’s our fault on the Left that he wins.
Who said we’re important to them. Are you so willing to let the country go to shit if you don’t get your own way? Trump’s actions killed a lot of people I knew and loved, and permanently devastated the lives of a lot of people who didn’t end up dead. I can’t say the same of Biden.
“If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it’s our fault on the Left that he wins.”
Are you so willing to let the country go to shit if you don’t get your own way?
You bet I am. Lesser evilism is a clearly failed strategy and the country is already going to shit because of it. If your vote is guaranteed then your concerns are meaningless.
I saw where lesser evilism got us with Obama. 8 more years of war and bloodshed that accomplished nothing and brought it no closer to an end. Hundreds of thousands of innocents slain for no reason. But suddenly everyone was fine with it because “he was doing it the right way.”
Fuck that, I promised myself then that I would never vote for a hawk, and I never will. Now we have one of the guys involved in perpetrating the War on Terror (also one of the architects of mass incarceration) and we have the highest military of any country of all time. Absolute non starter. I refuse to prioritize my own safety over the victims of US imperialism abroad.
Who said we’re important to them.
You did:
“If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it’s our fault on the Left that he wins.”
Not our fault for non-voting. Our fault for making undecided voters see Biden as literally the same as Trump. Propagandists are not important to me, but I still oppose them at all costs.
You bet I am. Lesser evilism is a clearly failed strategy
So instead you just lie and pretend the lesser evil is the greater evil? Congrats, you must be young.
I saw where lesser evilism got us with Obama
I would fucking give anything if we had another boring Obama clone win in 2016. I have DACA friends. I have had many people in my life needlessly die or suffer under Trump. I used to follow a religion that George W Bush actively tried to get banned from legal US protections because he didn’t like it. And you’re telling me to my face that you approve of innocent people dying so you can punish Democrats for only giving the 5% of far-left 10% of respect. Tell me that to my face. Tell me you are happy with how things went. Until then, I will point out that Biden did more for the far-left than I ever expected. And he acted with extreme prejudice to protect the people I fucking care about most.
I’m guessing you didn’t have a lot of family or friends directly devastated by Trump’s actions? If so, how can you be so bloody heartless?
I recieve: a hawk candidate
You recieve: a third party vote
Ah yes. Perhaps the Green party. Most heavily funded by the Republicans because it gives them presidencies. I call this “taking the majority hostage”.
So instead you just lie and pretend the lesser evil is the greater evil?
Never said this, no.
I’m guessing you didn’t have a lot of family or friends directly devastated by Trump’s actions? If so, how can you be so bloody heartless?
You’re right, other than the fact that I moved away from my home state in part due to the rise in anti-trans sentiment and legislation (and obviously he continued the wars too so he’s at least as bad). I and my family were, however, directly affected by Obama’s actions in pointlessly extending the wars of aggression in the Middle East. You can read about my experiences here
Peace is absolutely not even close to being enough to address all the impending and on-going crises affecting this country. I am being extremely lax, generous, and accommodating by setting it as my sole precondition. The fact that you want me to abandon all of my principles and every single precondition so the democrats can keep following the republicans right in a self-defeating strategy is not my problem.
I call this “taking the majority hostage”
Excellent, if I have the power to take the majority hostage to the end of achieving peace, I intend to take full advantage of it.
I know, maybe Biden should agree with me on everything. That would be nice. But why should we treat everyone we don’t agree with on everything the same as Trump? Do you **really ** think Trump did that little wrong? Or that Biden did zero things better than Trump?
I’m truly disgusted by this. This black-and-white categorization of anyone who isn’t as Left as Me as “exactly the same as Adolf Hitler”. Trump quite literally preached Fascism and actively campaigned (and acted) on hurting brown people and tearing down the environment for a quick buck. Biden ran on “more middle-of-the-road shit”. They are not the same.
No one is saying they are the same. They are saying the answer is not the DNC, especially not Biden.
Trump quite literally preached Fascism and actively campaigned (and acted) on hurting brown people and tearing down the environment for a quick buck
Biden has a horrible record on racism. He was awful during integration, literally wrote the racist crime bill, and helped bail out banks in 2008 whilst crushing and eliminating black wealth. Not to mention, he rejects critiques of the police and voted to increase all budgets for police and then the military.
As far as the environment, Biden has okay’d new pipelines and given the go ahead to drill even more than his predecessor.
Biden is more polite than Trump. He doesn’t usually say racist things (or when he does, it’s swept under the rug). Trump has worst aesthetics for sure. But Biden materially is fucking awful, and we should not entertain any options to the contrary.
I don’t disagree with anything you said about Biden’s past, but that doesn’t put him categorically anywhere near Trump.
I want a world where Biden represents the Right party I hate. But right now, he’s representing the only party that isn’t making a goal hurting people I love. There are dead people I care about that would be alive if Trump had lost to Hillary in 2016. There are living people I love that would be dead or hurt if Trump had won in 2020. So I call that a marginal victory.
Have you not experienced that? If not, you’re either lucky or isolated or ignorant of causes of things. If so, then how can you let those you love suffer without being angrier at the cause than the guy who is just “not that great”?
My problem isn’t people saying Biden is bad. My problem is people saying he’s as bad as Trump. As a president, he is absolutely fucking not.
I want a world where Biden represents the Right party I hate.
The Democrats are a far-right party by international standards.
But right now, he’s representing the only party that isn’t making a goal hurting people I love.
I guess we’ll downgrade the mass murder charges to mass manslaughter since the Democrats don’t explicitly state that they want to commit genocide, even if their policies always result in genocide.
There are dead people I care about that would be alive if Trump had lost to Hillary in 2016.
100% probability Hilldawg would have killed as many or more people than Trump did. They just would have been overseas or in amerikkka’s internal colonies—out of sight, in other words, so liberals like yourself wouldn’t have to worry about them. “Fascism is okay as long as it doesn’t negatively impact me.” More people have also died of covid under Biden compared to Trump (specifically because of Biden’s anti-vaxx, anti-mask policies), while the proxy war Biden started in Ukraine has resulted in hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.
My problem isn’t people saying Biden is bad. My problem is people saying he’s as bad as Trump. As a president, he is absolutely fucking not.
Without doing research, name a specific policy passed by Biden or the Democrats since January 2021 which has improved your material life.
COVID-19 had the 5th worst death toll of any pandemic in human history, and is in the top 10 of global population lost. And that was with modern medicine and (with some Republican political exceptions) reasonably aggressive global response.
COVID-19 was bad, worse than most people seem to remember. I’ve got a pandemic-trained MCE expert in my family. Everyone saw it coming when they saw the numbers, and it happened worse than expected. Hospitals overflowing capacity from just critical cases. Tent hospitals being built. They fucking activated the mass-grave contracts to store the bodies. For the first time in nearly a century. Bet you didn’t know that. OEMS doesn’t publish actions like that because they don’t want to cause further panic. It comes through a private email to paramedics (and, fwiw I thought this part silly, sent under a pseudonym that only people in the field would recognize)
For the record (not that I think you actually care about facts, but I’m putting this up there for neutral observers), the deadliness of a pandemic is not primarily driven by its death rate. Only an ignorant person would look to that first. A virus with a 0.1% death rate could end humankind. Many viruses with high death rates have less of an impact. Potentially more important factors are the spread rate (influenced by the incubation rate and contagiousness window), and immunity rates (both inherent immunity and acquired immunity). That COVID-19 was a COVID family of illness (cold family, no known cures, treatments, or immunization paths) made it worse.
Lmao. My man I have, and I’m asking you to clarify because I have not seen any of these so-called negative effects from wearing masks and taking the vaccine. Such a cop out answer. It’s almost always a sign that you are talking out your ass if you aren’t willing to clearly state your point.
Okay, how was there an attempt at taking away both of these things? Because I can’t think of any. Also if free press took a hit during the pandemic no one told Fox News because they’ve been spouting their vile lies the entire time lmal
I think it’s a great example because they’re the single biggest source of conservative misinformation lmao. If the press was being silenced by some left-wing conspiracy don’t you think Fox would have been a major target for them??
Ignoring the fact that Rogan is an ignorant dumbass who does absolutely no fact checking, did Malone back any of his claims up or were they all just from his mouth? Because Malone was not the “literal inventor” of mRNA vaccines. It was a huge collaborative effort that he played a part in along with hundreds of other researchers over decades. But you already know this cause you do your own research instead of just taking people’s word for it right?
You do know it was only a <2% death rate because of the pandemic response, right?
The masks, the stay at home, the vaccinations were necessary because they worked.
It would have been even lower if jackasses like you didn’t think they knew more about a virus than the actual scientists who dedicated their lives to researching stuff like that.
Fuck the US constitution, it was written by slave owning trash. Fuck ”muh freeze peach” too, Nazis should not be allowed to speak freely or breathe oxygen.
Pretty sure most Republicans are just openly fascist now.
Yeah, but Biden doesn’t agree with literally every single view I have on everything, so they’re both the same.
I swear, the new Communist push is just an alt-right front to get Tea Party Republicans in office again. Every time someone points out a random conservative or warhawk thing Biden did and says he’s literally worse than Trump, I die inside.
If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it’s our fault on the Left that he wins.
Damn if we’re so important then maybe the democrats should try harder to win us over.
Who said we’re important to them. Are you so willing to let the country go to shit if you don’t get your own way? Trump’s actions killed a lot of people I knew and loved, and permanently devastated the lives of a lot of people who didn’t end up dead. I can’t say the same of Biden.
You did:
“If Trump somehow manages to win 2024 from jail, it’s our fault on the Left that he wins.”
You bet I am. Lesser evilism is a clearly failed strategy and the country is already going to shit because of it. If your vote is guaranteed then your concerns are meaningless.
I saw where lesser evilism got us with Obama. 8 more years of war and bloodshed that accomplished nothing and brought it no closer to an end. Hundreds of thousands of innocents slain for no reason. But suddenly everyone was fine with it because “he was doing it the right way.”
Fuck that, I promised myself then that I would never vote for a hawk, and I never will. Now we have one of the guys involved in perpetrating the War on Terror (also one of the architects of mass incarceration) and we have the highest military of any country of all time. Absolute non starter. I refuse to prioritize my own safety over the victims of US imperialism abroad.
It’s very simple
I recieve: a hawk candidate
You recieve: a third party vote
Not our fault for non-voting. Our fault for making undecided voters see Biden as literally the same as Trump. Propagandists are not important to me, but I still oppose them at all costs.
So instead you just lie and pretend the lesser evil is the greater evil? Congrats, you must be young.
I would fucking give anything if we had another boring Obama clone win in 2016. I have DACA friends. I have had many people in my life needlessly die or suffer under Trump. I used to follow a religion that George W Bush actively tried to get banned from legal US protections because he didn’t like it. And you’re telling me to my face that you approve of innocent people dying so you can punish Democrats for only giving the 5% of far-left 10% of respect. Tell me that to my face. Tell me you are happy with how things went. Until then, I will point out that Biden did more for the far-left than I ever expected. And he acted with extreme prejudice to protect the people I fucking care about most.
I’m guessing you didn’t have a lot of family or friends directly devastated by Trump’s actions? If so, how can you be so bloody heartless?
Ah yes. Perhaps the Green party. Most heavily funded by the Republicans because it gives them presidencies. I call this “taking the majority hostage”.
Never said this, no.
You’re right, other than the fact that I moved away from my home state in part due to the rise in anti-trans sentiment and legislation (and obviously he continued the wars too so he’s at least as bad). I and my family were, however, directly affected by Obama’s actions in pointlessly extending the wars of aggression in the Middle East. You can read about my experiences here
Peace is absolutely not even close to being enough to address all the impending and on-going crises affecting this country. I am being extremely lax, generous, and accommodating by setting it as my sole precondition. The fact that you want me to abandon all of my principles and every single precondition so the democrats can keep following the republicans right in a self-defeating strategy is not my problem.
Excellent, if I have the power to take the majority hostage to the end of achieving peace, I intend to take full advantage of it.
Maybe he shouldn’t have done those things then.
I know, maybe Biden should agree with me on everything. That would be nice. But why should we treat everyone we don’t agree with on everything the same as Trump? Do you **really ** think Trump did that little wrong? Or that Biden did zero things better than Trump?
I’m truly disgusted by this. This black-and-white categorization of anyone who isn’t as Left as Me as “exactly the same as Adolf Hitler”. Trump quite literally preached Fascism and actively campaigned (and acted) on hurting brown people and tearing down the environment for a quick buck. Biden ran on “more middle-of-the-road shit”. They are not the same.
No one is saying they are the same. They are saying the answer is not the DNC, especially not Biden.
Biden has a horrible record on racism. He was awful during integration, literally wrote the racist crime bill, and helped bail out banks in 2008 whilst crushing and eliminating black wealth. Not to mention, he rejects critiques of the police and voted to increase all budgets for police and then the military.
As far as the environment, Biden has okay’d new pipelines and given the go ahead to drill even more than his predecessor.
Biden is more polite than Trump. He doesn’t usually say racist things (or when he does, it’s swept under the rug). Trump has worst aesthetics for sure. But Biden materially is fucking awful, and we should not entertain any options to the contrary.
I don’t disagree with anything you said about Biden’s past, but that doesn’t put him categorically anywhere near Trump.
I want a world where Biden represents the Right party I hate. But right now, he’s representing the only party that isn’t making a goal hurting people I love. There are dead people I care about that would be alive if Trump had lost to Hillary in 2016. There are living people I love that would be dead or hurt if Trump had won in 2020. So I call that a marginal victory.
Have you not experienced that? If not, you’re either lucky or isolated or ignorant of causes of things. If so, then how can you let those you love suffer without being angrier at the cause than the guy who is just “not that great”?
My problem isn’t people saying Biden is bad. My problem is people saying he’s as bad as Trump. As a president, he is absolutely fucking not.
The Democrats are a far-right party by international standards.
I guess we’ll downgrade the mass murder charges to mass manslaughter since the Democrats don’t explicitly state that they want to commit genocide, even if their policies always result in genocide.
100% probability Hilldawg would have killed as many or more people than Trump did. They just would have been overseas or in amerikkka’s internal colonies—out of sight, in other words, so liberals like yourself wouldn’t have to worry about them. “Fascism is okay as long as it doesn’t negatively impact me.” More people have also died of covid under Biden compared to Trump (specifically because of Biden’s anti-vaxx, anti-mask policies), while the proxy war Biden started in Ukraine has resulted in hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.
Without doing research, name a specific policy passed by Biden or the Democrats since January 2021 which has improved your material life.
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No, pretty sure that is just your bubble.
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Fascism is when you respond to a pandemic
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What about the rights of the immunocompromised, the sick, and the children and elderly?
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Do they have a right to live in a society that takes pandemics seriously so they don’t end up socially murdered?
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Yeah, it is only a couple million deaths and several million cases of long covid. /s
COVID-19 had the 5th worst death toll of any pandemic in human history, and is in the top 10 of global population lost. And that was with modern medicine and (with some Republican political exceptions) reasonably aggressive global response.
COVID-19 was bad, worse than most people seem to remember. I’ve got a pandemic-trained MCE expert in my family. Everyone saw it coming when they saw the numbers, and it happened worse than expected. Hospitals overflowing capacity from just critical cases. Tent hospitals being built. They fucking activated the mass-grave contracts to store the bodies. For the first time in nearly a century. Bet you didn’t know that. OEMS doesn’t publish actions like that because they don’t want to cause further panic. It comes through a private email to paramedics (and, fwiw I thought this part silly, sent under a pseudonym that only people in the field would recognize)
For the record (not that I think you actually care about facts, but I’m putting this up there for neutral observers), the deadliness of a pandemic is not primarily driven by its death rate. Only an ignorant person would look to that first. A virus with a 0.1% death rate could end humankind. Many viruses with high death rates have less of an impact. Potentially more important factors are the spread rate (influenced by the incubation rate and contagiousness window), and immunity rates (both inherent immunity and acquired immunity). That COVID-19 was a COVID family of illness (cold family, no known cures, treatments, or immunization paths) made it worse.
Do you also resent being forced to wear a seatbelt?
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Such as?
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Lmao. My man I have, and I’m asking you to clarify because I have not seen any of these so-called negative effects from wearing masks and taking the vaccine. Such a cop out answer. It’s almost always a sign that you are talking out your ass if you aren’t willing to clearly state your point.
“Funny how you don’t have a real rebuttal so you’ve resorted to childish drawings of pig shit”
You realize, to the rest of us, the far-right “do the research” bullshit is actually worse and more childish than actual drawings of pig shit, right?
Do you have any real friends?
Which rights, specifically, have been taken away?
The right to infect and kill my neighbors so we don’t have to get our cheeks a little sweaty from a mask. Obviously.
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Okay, how was there an attempt at taking away both of these things? Because I can’t think of any. Also if free press took a hit during the pandemic no one told Fox News because they’ve been spouting their vile lies the entire time lmal
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I think it’s a great example because they’re the single biggest source of conservative misinformation lmao. If the press was being silenced by some left-wing conspiracy don’t you think Fox would have been a major target for them??
Ignoring the fact that Rogan is an ignorant dumbass who does absolutely no fact checking, did Malone back any of his claims up or were they all just from his mouth? Because Malone was not the “literal inventor” of mRNA vaccines. It was a huge collaborative effort that he played a part in along with hundreds of other researchers over decades. But you already know this cause you do your own research instead of just taking people’s word for it right?
I saw plenty of jackasses using their free speech to spread misinformation, like the vaccines not working and the mask not being necessary.
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You do know it was only a <2% death rate because of the pandemic response, right?
The masks, the stay at home, the vaccinations were necessary because they worked.
It would have been even lower if jackasses like you didn’t think they knew more about a virus than the actual scientists who dedicated their lives to researching stuff like that.
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Well, you had that last bit right.
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Fuck the US constitution, it was written by slave owning trash. Fuck ”muh freeze peach” too, Nazis should not be allowed to speak freely or breathe oxygen.
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Defender of Nazis and slave owners, eh? Interesting 🤔
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Shit did I miss a memo? Are we doing a bit where we defend the morality of the US constitution? Hold on everyone, I call the 13th amendment!
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It didn’t abolish slavery though.
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I don’t know, like the right of women to decide over their own body?
The right for trans people to exist?
The right for drag queens to be seen in public?
But having to wear protection during a fucking pandemic is the real right that has been taken away, amiright?
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