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Flying Squid@lemmy.world to TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name@lemmy.world · 1 year ago

30 Years on, TNG's Ghost Sex Episode Remains as Unhinged and Awful as Ever

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30 Years on, TNG's Ghost Sex Episode Remains as Unhinged and Awful as Ever

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Flying Squid@lemmy.world to TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name@lemmy.world · 1 year ago
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"Sub Rosa" is reviled as one of Star Trek's lowest lows, for many, many good reasons.
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  • Sarsaparilla@kbin.social
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    Only to be topped by Voyager’s Season 2 episode 15 … the warp 10 salamander story.

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      Two baby salamanders scamper off and Chakotay is just like “ I’m going to pretend I didn’t see that”

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    The best TNG episode is the Price at 25:16 👯

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      I forgot about Lloyd Braun being in this, but then, it’s probably because of… ya know.

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        Yeah, I don’t remember that one at all. Nope. Not a single bit, and no one just about broke their parents’ VCR trying to record a specific scene precisely, either. So, don’t even ask.

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          That’s some damn fine acting, I can understand.

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      Best scene in lower decks too.

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    If I had a nickel for everything Whoopi Goldberg was in where a ghost and a lady had sex, I’d have two nickels

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      Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

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      Another Risa classic

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        That’s a smart Swayze, NGL.

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    I don’t know it seems kind of like kink shaming to me

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  • 👍Maximum Derek👍@discuss.tchncs.de
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    To me it crosses into “so bad its good” territory. It’s like Dr Crusher posted this script to AO3.

    And its great meme material. 🕯

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      Yep I always happily watch this train wreck on a rewatch. The only episodes I actually can’t even watch are the riker clip episode and the one where space Africans board the enterprise to steal a white woman.

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        The most unsurprising thing about Code of Honor? The director was a fucking racist.

        The African theme of the episode was brought in by director Russ Mayberry, who had the Ligonians race cast entirely from African-American actors. Mayberry was fired during production by the show’s creator Gene Roddenberry, and First Assistant Director Les Landau completed the episode. Star Trek novel author Keith DeCandido later recalled that this was because of the casting itself,[5] while cast member Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher) thought that it was because Mayberry was racist towards the guest stars after they were cast.[6]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Honor_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

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          They weren’t even supposed to be a black race originally??

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            Nope:

            In this episode, the entire humanoid population of the planet is portrayed by African American performers. In the teleplay, however, only Lutan’s guards were specifically written as being African.

            https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Code_of_Honor_(episode)#Background_information

            Which, you know, also not terrific, but not just balls-to-the-wall racist.

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              Thing to keep in mind with that writer is she also wrote the SG-1 episode where a character got captured as a slave wife for mongols (SG-1 episode emancipation). She was fulfilling her racist brute kink. She holds the honor of writing what are considered some of the worst episodes for both series.

              https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Emancipation

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        I… kind of like the Riker clip episode. It’s just so weird and pointless.

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          It is just horribly cheesy. How they’re guiding his memories. My favorite part is when that bitch who replaced Beverly for a little while was like WE NEED MORE INTENSE MEMORIES!

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            Dr Pulaski

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              I prefer that bitch.

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                It’s Data, not Data. Still cringing decades later

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      My pet theory is that bad episodes are at least two of the following:

      -dumb

      -boring

      -cheap

      This one and the warp 10 lizard sex episode from Voyager are extremely dumb, but I love them because they’re definitely not cheap/low-effort or boring. (But if someone did find it boring I would understand them calling it a bad episode.)

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    The actor playing the ghost was very prone to over-the-top material. Besides the more respectable role of Shakaar in DS9, he was the bombastic, soap-worthy Charles in V (the original series after the original miniseries) and the main character in 90’s Zorro.

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      And yet still better than the guy who was Okona in The Outrageous Okona. And that guy was almost Riker!

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        I’ll watch Okana any day over the ghost sex episode.

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