*In terms of privacy, customisation, camera quality, and battery time.

For the longest time I have only used either iPhone or Samsung. I plan on switching to Android for the next phone I get, but I find that Samsung phones are often too big for me and put too much energy on camera quality (I don’t take many photos). I have started to look into brands such as Nokia and Motorola, and I would like to know what you guys think of them. Additionally, do you suggest any other phone brands aside from them? My biggest priorities are privacy and long battery time. Bonus if the phone can run LineageOS (I have excluded Graphene as they are only compatible with Pixel phones).

Thank you for any answers. Cheers!

  • headroom@lemmy.mlEnglish
    693·
    8 个月前

    I don’t get people claiming stock iPhone is private. We literally have very little idea. It’s a closed system. It’s private if you take Apple’s word but all the other manufacturers also have similar claims. Why trust Apple and not them?

    On top of that you end up locked into their ecosystem, unable to use most FOSS applications or have cut down versions of them because daddy Apple didn’t like some features.

        • hagelslager@feddit.nl
          14·
          8 个月前

          True, since Fairphone’s focus seems to be on fairness in the hardware. I wish they were better on the software side as well.

          • Rogue1633@discuss.tchncs.de
            5·
            8 个月前

            I think if Fairphones get GrapheneOS support, it would be a no brainer for many. A phone you can repair yourself, which is fairly produced, with the safety and the absence of Google from GrapheneOS would be a good combo

            • FutileRecipe@lemmy.world
              81·
              8 个月前

              I think if Fairphones get GrapheneOS support…

              Then Fairphone needs to up their hardware security and software support. GrapheneOS has minimum requirements that vendors must meet for GrapheneOS to support them, and Fairphone doesn’t measure up. Only Pixels do, at the moment.

          • LWD@lemm.ee
            22·
            8 个月前

            Fairphone should also work on the fairness side of things, because they dropped the headphone jack and, with a heavy heart I’m sure, started selling unfair Lithium Earbuds…

            Their reasoning was, in part, people who bought their modular repairable phone said it was too big.

    • Wild Bill@midwest.socialOP
      72·
      8 个月前

      In that case, would you not recommend Motorola? I’m not very well versed on their terms of privacy, and I really like the way they look and how seemingly good the battery is, but if it’s considered unsafe or full of malware then I might need to look other ways.

        • Wild Bill@midwest.socialOP
          5·
          8 个月前

          I will read more into this, but it sounds reasonable. If I were to get a Pixel, is there any particular model I should get or does it not matter? Does Graphene support all models?

            • Mazoku@lemmy.ml
              8·
              8 个月前

              Calyx does a lot of snitching on you

              That is certainly over dramatic for what is in that article. All they do with Google is trivial things like updating your systems internal clock. A large portion of what is in that article is able to be disabled and prevented by not using Micro-G.

              There seems to be massive beef and drama between Calyx and Graphene communities, I have no idea what any of that is about, but this dramatization doesn’t help.

          • BlackRing@midwest.social
            6·
            8 个月前

            GrapheneOS supports recent Pixels. I think right now they are supporting the 5a and later, with legacy and extended support back to the 4.

          • CausticFlames@sopuli.xyz
            1·
            8 个月前

            Grapehene has historically offered extended support, but for the longest support time the pixel 8 isnt a bad option. The 7a is also I think the king of budget phones right now but the 8 is on sale for a few hundred off the last I checked :)

        • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          8 个月前

          And the unfortunate part, is that only Pixels are supported by this.

          Because unlike the Fairphone guys google actually plays fairly and builds a decent phone with security in mind.

        • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
          23·
          8 个月前

          The problem is that GrapheneOS really, truly, actually is the only way to get even reasonable levels of privacy on a mobile device right now.

          Yes, you indeed are shilling bogus things. This belongs to somewhere like reddit or 4chan.

      • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        8 个月前

        I can’t speak for privacy interworkings but Motorola makes it very easy to unlock the bootloader. I’m a fan of Xiaomi as well but my current Motorola is doing everything I need it to do and wasn’t expensive at all.

        • Corngood@lemmy.ml
          41·
          8 个月前

          GrapheneOS + Pixel phone is the only true option if you want any kind of ensure that even of the device is lost your data won’t be accessed.

          I think that’s an exaggeration. You don’t need secure boot for your data to be encrypted. What secure boot prevents is someone modifying the device without your knowledge (e.g. to capture your keys).

    • Rose@lemmy.world
      2·
      8 个月前

      Why is this a problem? Buy one used if buying from Google is a problem. Then flash.

    • TFO Winder@lemmy.ml
      511·
      8 个月前

      This irony shows the superiority of Google.

      They monopolize without having intention of monopoly.

      It’s admirable

    • EntropyPure@lemmy.world
      161·
      8 个月前

      In regards to stock systems, I agree.

      Been stuck in the convenient ecosystem for a while, and I cope by telling myself Apple makes the bulk of its money with hardware and services. Not ads like Google. But if I would start over from zero, I think Graphene OS and Linux would be the way. But migrating the whole family away from our current Apple line up - I dread that challenge.

        • Pussista@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          8 个月前

          The thing about the Apple experience is that it doesn’t only integrate well among your own devices, but also others. Being isolated from that can be pretty challenging, especially if you are the only one in the family. Unless you come up with a whole marketing concept to make the change seem attractive to other (not techy) family members, you’d be cycling uphill.

          • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            8 个月前

            Can you be more specific?

            I’ve heard this argument, but AFAIK the main things are iMessage and FaceTime. I don’t know about your family, but I generally don’t want FaceTime most of the time. I haven’t used iMessage, but it seems like Signal is a drop in replacement, and the benefits are compatibility with Android and desktop apps for Windows and Linux.

            Perhaps the play is to switch one app at a time. That’s what I’m going to try to get ready to leave Android for Linux phones (assuming they’ll be daily-driveable at some point).

            • Pussista@sh.itjust.works
              3·
              7 个月前

              iMessage and FaceTime are really not that relevant outside the US and, as you said, can be relatively easily replaced by Signal. As another commenter pointed out, it’s more about little things like Airdrop or iCloud’s all around seamlessness that cannot be matched by anything else I’ve tried. Family sharing alone would be a major loss if I were to switch. What Google or Microsoft have to offer in that regard is laughable in comparison (not that they’re any more “private”), and AFAIK, there is no FOSS alternative all of the iCloud family sharing functionality.

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                7 个月前

                Makes sense, thanks for elaborating.

                I’ll have to look into the FOSS tools to see what could be a reasonable set of alternatives. Some initial thoughts:

                • KDE Connect - connects phone to Linux computer in an interesting way - easy to send files, see SMS, and a couple other things; it’s a bit chunky, but maybe something I could help with
                • restic - automatic backup for desktop; pair with Syncthing to automatically keep stuff on your phone synced with your desktop
                • Steam now has better family sharing, and you could set something like Plex up to handle video streaming for owned content

                But each of these are a bit inconvenient compared to what Apple offers. I’ll think about it some more, and maybe I’ll try building something. My kids will be getting old enough to have phones in a couple years, and I’d really rather avoid Apple’s ecosystem, but their friends will likely all have iPhones so I’ll want a reason for them to prefer something else.

                • Pussista@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  7 个月前

                  I already use KDE Connect to exchange files with my Linux laptop and it’s not the best, but it’s good enough for the occasional thing.

                  Steam is not a solution IMO because it locks you in just as much as Apple while being clunky and giving you the illusion of choice. And it’s only for games. Family sharing on Apple products is more than games. If you’ve bought apps or subscriptions, you can share them with family members at no additional cost (if the app opts into that which is disclosed to you very clearly in the App Store). Screen Time is great to block apps above a certain age rating and to restrict or outright block purchases for children. Another thing is location sharing in the Find My app. I know there are many solutions for that, but I just like the UX in the Find My app a lot more.

                  About the Plex server, I’ve heard they’ve changed their TOS and are now pretty shady or something. Also, if I were to make a server like that, I’d be pirating stuff anyway which I already do through my go-to pseudo-streaming piracy sites.

                  I could see myself hosting a Synology NAS in the future, but that is still not as convenient or well thought out as the iCloud services tbh.

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                7 个月前

                I guess there’s not a super convenient alternative, but maybe something like Syncthing would be close enough?

                But yeah, any kind of data synchronization or resource sharing is a little awkward.

  • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
    26·
    8 个月前

    For me it has to be Fairphone. They are more expensive than the others to buy new but they are more aligned with openness and free software. They receive updates for a long time, are well supported by CalyxOS, /e/os, Linux mobile OSs etc, are repairable, you can carry extra batteries, usually have an SD card slot and two SIM slots and are more environmentally-friendly than others.

  • MrSoup@lemmy.zip
    282·
    8 个月前

    The downside of Google Pixels is that they don’t have jack connector and sd slot.

    But I accepted the deal just to use GrapheneOS (I bought one used on ebay). Sometimes the battery lasts 3 days without being recharged.

    People at GrapheneOS should really focus on some brand that cares about users on the hardware side.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
      9·
      8 个月前

      Yup, I honestly don’t care about the special features on the Pixel (esp camera), I literally only want it because of GrapheneOS and longer term software support.

      I would love it if the GrapheneOS project made their own phone and supported it for a really long time. Maybe coordinate with Fairphone or something, IDK.

      • UndulyUnruly@lemmy.world
        3·
        8 个月前

        Unfortunately, buying from outside US, although possible, is a pain in the neck. You need agreement with the seller AND use a freight forwarder.

        Swappa is a US-based marketplace. Sellers located outside the United States cannot create listings on Swappa. International buyers can buy on Swappa if they provide a US shipping address and use a US-based payment source.

      • MrSoup@lemmy.zip
        3·
        8 个月前

        6a. Though I don’t use the phone that much, most of the battery is drained by Telegram FOSS.

        Here are two old screenshots

        screenshot n1 screenshot n2

          • MrSoup@lemmy.zip
            1·
            8 个月前

            No, I’m Google free for at least 5 years now. I only have Aurora Store for the PS App.
            I really only use FOSS apps.

            If you need advices to breaking free, feel free to ask.

            • SeramisV@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              2·
              8 个月前

              Ooh that might be why your battery is so good. The Google services do eat up a lot of charge it seems.

              On the google free, I’m not perfect but I’m def conscious, and already am using mostly foss apps. The rest is just social media I can’t really avoid. Thanks for the proposition though!

  • viking@infosec.pub
    272·
    8 个月前

    OnePlus.

    I’d never buy Samsung again, they are full of bloat and make it excessively hard to unlock the bootloader and get root access or install an alternative OS.

      • viking@infosec.pub
        1·
        8 个月前

        Oh that’s good to know, thanks! I’ve read that from the OnePlus 12 onwards there won’t be a localized OxygenOS anymore, only ColorOS, which is full of China-bloat. I’m still happy with the 10 Pro, but when the time comes and this holds true, I’ll be looking for alternatives.

    • metaldream@sopuli.xyz
      2·
      7 个月前

      Samsung support is also a straight up scam. They’ll lie to your face about how they’re getting ready to send you a replacement, and then ghost you. I hope the feds sue them too but I’m not holding my breath. We filed a complaint with our state’s AG and fuck all came of it.

  • BreakDecks@lemmy.mlEnglish
    241·
    8 个月前

    Don’t exclude Pixel phones so quickly. They are one of the most versatile for custom ROMs, and they check all of your checkboxes. I love my CalxyOS Pixel 6.

  • guyrocket@kbin.social
    204·
    8 个月前

    What phone brand do you like the best?

    (I have excluded Graphene as they are only compatible with Pixel phones).

    You’re asking this on the privacy mag and intentionally/explicitly exclude the best privacy option with no explanation.

    Wtf.

  • RogueBanana@lemmy.zipEnglish
    15·
    8 个月前

    If privacy is important, a custom ROM is highly recommended or rather mandatory. Most brands have locked boot loader which can’t be unlocked immediately without voiding warranty. Some let you to using some bs proprietary software but only after few months. That was the only reason I had to resort to getting a pixel. So look into all the brands available to you and check their policy on custom rooms before looking into the mobile themselves.

    • leanleft@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      7 个月前

      adb debloating is adequate.
      there may be additional steps for LOS privacy.

      • RogueBanana@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2·
        7 个月前

        If you don’t remove play service and shit without being unable to use payment apps and other shut, it’s not gonna work for majority. Those are worst offenders that have to be removed for privacy.

  • umbrella@lemmy.ml
    131·
    8 个月前

    xiaomi has awesome hardware, audio jack, sd slot, even ir blaster.

    their privacy policy is bad, but a lot of them have official lineageos (and microg-patched lineage) and it works really really well.

    • melooone@feddit.de
      4·
      8 个月前

      Currently in the process of installing Lineageos on my brothers redmi note 10 pro.

      Its a huge pain compared to my phone, mainly because unlocking the bootloader requires an account with his number connected. Then I had to install Windows to use their shitty unlock app, which the requires you to wait up to 30 days for seemingly no reason. Luckily “just” a week for us.

      But yeah the hardware is amazing.

      • umbrella@lemmy.ml
        2·
        7 个月前

        yes the unlock process is obtuse as fuck! they do something similar to samsung and their RMM bullshit of having to wait.

        luckily, unlike samsung, after its done they wont bother you again.

    • SeramisV@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      2·
      8 个月前

      Its actually so good that the redmi note 8 (with lineageos-mucrog) I had before performed basically the same as my pixel 6a

      • umbrella@lemmy.ml
        21·
        7 个月前

        chinese electronics have come a long way, if you dont get them from the dollar store that is

          • umbrella@lemmy.ml
            1·
            7 个月前

            a poster is indicating its a software issue, caused by an update. im not using stock firmware and there aint more official updates to my phone. this seems to contradict what you are saying a little bit, you just looking this up?

            i also had a motorola motherboard die on me, faulty nand, doesnt mean all motorolas have bad motherboards.

  • communism@lemmy.ml
    143·
    8 个月前

    Why exclude GrapheneOS? It’s a really good mobile OS, and the creator has given his reasons for only supporting Pixels.

    • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
      914·
      8 个月前

      His reasons are – I fantasise Google, I love Big Tech security chips, I believe in West, China is evil, I did not get a billion dollar career out of making a Linux kernel patch so I will whine and harass internet people into liking my worthless custom Android build, hide behind my troll army and scare people into thinking my solution is the only solution to get mobile security.

      GrapheneOS is pure snake oil with a disgusting sole developer that believes in pushing corporate Big Tech propaganda, harassing and witch hunting any critics, having a little social media army with sockpuppets to do this, abuses mentally challenged by hiding behind “autism” label (Louis Rossmann has a nice video), falsely claims he was swatted without giving evidence or coverage in local Canadian media and blames everyone from redditors to community mods to YouTubers and so on. It has been 10 months at this point since the claim.

      I covered this disease for about 5 years, and it emanates from the same sewer that “security” clowns like Brad Spengler and madaidan do in Linux community. All they do is either push their bullshit solutions or push corporate Big Tech propaganda and hate any FOSS project they think will not worship them.

      https://old.reddit.com/r/privatelife/comments/ug9qnc/writeup_criticism_of_rprivacyguides_grapheneos/

      https://old.reddit.com/r/privatelife/comments/13teoo9/grapheneos_corporate_foss_loving_witch_hunting/

      One thing GrapheneOS propaganda posters also do is sell you the lie that it is the only thing that can give you any mobile privacy and security. Everything else is a failed joke and this thing is the only thing that works. They go to lengths of telling people to fly to other countries to get a Pixel. https://i.imgur.com/Yv9nvxy.jpg And they make fake claims about buying $1 million Israeli Cellebrite kits and them not working against GrapheneOS’ “Titan” security for bootloader and other kinds of attacks. https://i.imgur.com/woNxPhx.jpg

      • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
        91·
        8 个月前

        Are you good bro? You’re putting a LOT of words in somebody else’s mouth and your sources here don’t really back up your argument

        • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
          23·
          8 个月前

          Dismissing years of evidence with pseudo intellectual trolling is disgusting. All the evidence is objective and mostly directly quotes the discussed parties. Are you sure you are not smoking stuff?

    • MrSoup@lemmy.zip
      134·
      8 个月前

      You can’t just recommend Pinephone.
      It is at best an half baked device. Phone calls are not that good and I had to manually enable VoLTE and flashed a custom firmware on the modem.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        71·
        8 个月前

        I’d love a Pinephone, but that’s not happening until it’s usable as a phone, meaning:

        • MMS
        • decent call audio
        • reliable wake up from suspend
        • decent battery life

        I don’t even care about the camera working, fingerprint sensors, etc. I literally just want a phone that works reliably as a phone with super long term software support.