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    I remember reading that when national parks tried to make a ‘bear-proof’ trashcan, they found that there was a larger overlap between the smartest bear and the stupidest human to make a viable product.

    I feel like it’s a similar situation here. The smartest kid and the stupidest adult are far more similar than we’d like to admit.

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    Very confidently wrong, poor reading comprehension, poor grammar, limited vocabulary, emoji gore, catch phrase/pop culture quotes/talking points repeated with no comprehension of what they’re saying, clearly not aware of how many things in life work, religious regurgitation while being surprised everyone doesn’t agree with them. Very easily impressed with basic factual statements, clearly thinking confidence is the main thing that makes someone correct. Thinks their mom telling they they are handsome is a valid point. Idk, that’s all I got.

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      Depending on what you meant by “very easily impressed with basic factual statements” it could go either way. I’m an adult and I’m happy to admit I don’t know a lot things, sometimes I’ve been stunned that what I believed was totally wrong and all it took was some to give me a basic fact to make me realise.

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      very confidently wrong

      Lmao dude that’s just people in general especially on forums

      There’s also nothing wrong with people learning new info, no matter how simple it may seem. That’s kind of a pretentious/egotistical way to operate.

      Most of this list is actually pretty garbage. Emojis? Using slang/catch phrases? This is basic social stuff.

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        What I wrote – Very easily impressed with basic factual statements

        What you think it means – there’s something wrong with people who are learning new things.

        Does ‘‘basic factual statements’’ mean ‘‘new information that someone is just now learning’’. Can it also apply to information they already know, or believe is true? Can it also be referring to basic knowledge nearly everyone knows?

        Does ‘being very easily impressed’ include a situation where someone reacts to information in a typical fashion? Does it exclude adults learning or recognizing factual information and responding with a simple agreement, such as ‘yeah that’s true’? Or is this an indication that an overreacting response is the dead giveaway?

        1. Did the sentance make a claim something is wrong with being a child?

        2. Did the sentence claim that learning new information is likewise something wrong?

        Please write one 5 sentance paragraph explaining your opinion on the above two numbered questions. Proofreading will not be necessary.

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      This is like reading a reverse horoscope - you’ve just thrown as many negative traits as you could think of at the wall, knowing at least a few will stick.

      Nothing on your list couldn’t also apply to an adult, especially those most privileged and entitled in society.

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        It’s like I tell my kids, an adult is just a child who got old. It’s also why a lot of cultures have a concept of adulthood that has nothing to do with reaching sexual maturity alone.

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      Those first two…and a couple others, also apply to a lot of adults I have had political conversations with the past several years…

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    I don’t think there is a “dead giveaway”. Plenty of kids can pass as adults online and plenty of adults seem like kids online. And sometimes with stuff like word usage/grammar/etc you can’t tell if it’s a child or someone who doesn’t speak English very well or maybe an English-speaking adult who happens to type like that. There’s a lot of different people in the world.

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      Yeah seriously, every time someone makes a generalization online “that subreddit is all 12 year olds anyway”, “r/teenagers is mainly grown me”, it really bothers me because no, you’re just overconfident in estimating people’s ages from text

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      I imagine that part of it comes down to motivation. I pretended to be an adult on a special-interest forum when I was twelve years old because I needed an escape from my miserable existence. At that time, I had no control over my life and every morning I woke up meant I had a new chance for traumatic shit to happen. I desperately needed to be someone else, so I took my time, researched shit, and avoided any conversation where I might be outed. I’m sure I didn’t fool everyone, but I got some shocked responses when I went back as an adult and owned up to it.

      Kids doing it for the authority boost or just as a childish fancy will be easier to spot. Kids doing it as a coping mechanism for their horrible lives will probably blend in a lot better.

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      I can’t get over ironically using stupid lingo, without being good at presenting it as ironic use…so I often seem like a child. I am certainly bad at forming sentences that are not stream of thought (with weird punctuation like parentheses containing clarification…like this…and overused ellipsis…)

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        It’s interesting to meet someone else who also struggles with an overuse of parentheses and ellipses (I didn’t know what they were called, thanks for that!).

        This is a complete shot in the dark, but do you also happen to be on the spectrum? (I have nothing to base this on expect my theory that overclarification could be more common among neurodivergent people)

        Edit: ellipsis -> ellipses

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          Add to your knowledge- they are ellipses. A single … is an ellipsis. Many words that end in “is” are pluralized as “es”

          This is pronounced like iss versus eeze.

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          I don’t present as on the spectrum, but I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was a kid. I haven’t suffered from it much as an adult. I have heard that the parenthetical over clarification and typing as your thoughts would flow naturally is a sign of Autism in particular. I can control it when I focus, but if I am ranting it comes out in force.

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    Extreme/insane positions on everything. Not just one or two insane positions, not just political extremism; when I say everything I mean EVERYTHING. No nuance allowed. And it has to be fully sincere, otherwise you are dealing with a Jreg.

    There are milder versions of this, but I have rarely met a child that didn’t have a strongly held insane belief formed from their limited experiences. My favorite was a kid who told me that eating pasta supports fascism because it comes from Italy, so loving Italian products means you support Mussolini. Pizza is fine, though, because that’s American.

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    “Redditors of Reddit, how do you sexily sex the sex out of sexy sex???”

    Serious response: you can’t really make a very general rule. There are a lot of people who write quite maturely since their teens, and a lot of people who are morons since their teens and have endless dedication and determination to remain in that state for as long as they breathe.

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      I do remember some posts on r/sex back in the day that were absolutely kids (teens) and you could tell by how

      • Freaked out they were about totally normal stuff.
      • Excited they were about how great sex is.

      I remember there was a funny day when there were two top upvoted posts on r/sex (probably in like 2017) where one was like

      • It turns me on when my boyfriend masturbates to me, am I normal?

      And the other one was like

      • I (female bodied, they/them / nb) am a furry and my wife and I like to pretend that I’m a wolf and I’m hunting and eating her. What can we make that will look and feel like real organs I can “rip” out of her stomach and eat, and what could we use for fake blood that would be the easiest to clean up?

      People kept linking the second one in the first one and reassuring this poor girl that she’s totally normal.

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        I (female bodied, they/them / nb) am a furry and my wife and I like to pretend that I’m a wolf and I’m hunting and eating her. What can we make that will look and feel like real organs I can “rip” out of her stomach and eat, and what could we use for fake blood that would be the easiest to clean up?

        Absolutely based, all the rest of us plebs just need to learn about the depth and power of their kinkiness. Cheers to their banquet.

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    When they’re adamant that voting third party in the United States will be useful in some capacity, I assume they’re 13

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      The youngsters are downvoting you, but what you’re saying is sad but true. It’s the reason Bernie never ran as an independent, he knew it would hand the victory to republicans on a silver platter.

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      I don’t assume they are 13, but they at least aren’t old enough to remember what happened in 2016.

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        Or any other election year, for that matter. I don’t think a third party candidate has gotten a significant voter block in 100 years.

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          Ross Perot got 18.9% of the popular vote in 1992. While he didn’t get any electoral votes he likely prevented a second HW Bush term.

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              Source on this? I was young but I remember that election. Perot seemed to be like some kind of ultracapitalist “run the country like a business” moron that people respected because he was rich. My grandpa loved him and I rarely heard him talk politics. He was also only educated to the sixth grade for what that’s worth.

              Seems like the kind of guy to take a bite out of the conservative vote.

              I’m gonna fix my ignorance and go look him up right now though.

              Edit-- I’m back, learned a lot. I love that he supported electronic direct democracy way back in 1992. He was in favor of gun control and money for AIDS research. Openly supported gay rights in 1996 but notably not until his second campaign when he really had no chance.

              He didn’t believe trickle down economics worked. Was a billionaire who spoke against greed which is really strange. But me calling him an ultracapitalist is probably misplaced. Also not a moron. He was into taxing the wealthy, starting to like this guy, but balancing the budget by cutting social programs, nevermind do not like.

              He opposed outsourcing factory jobs and favored environmental protection. He wanted to decrease the budgets of both the military and NASA. Wanted to cancel the space station.

              Quite the complicated guy. I love some of his policies and hate others. Seems like a weird mix when viewed through a modern lens. I think I’d have considered voting for him if I was ten years older in '92. Probably would have voted for Clinton though who notably achieved one of Perot’s primary goals, which was to balance the budget.

              So I ended up researching Clinton’s campaign and it was straight up racist against black people. He also pledged to end welfare “as we know it”. I think I actually would have voted for Perot! Maybe there’s something to what you’re saying about reducing Clinton’s margin of victory.

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          Yep. A third party candidate hasn’t gotten a single electoral college vote since George Wallace, and the only time a third party has done better than either a Democrat or a Republican was with Theodore Roosevelt and his Bull Moose party, which crushed Taft but got absolutely obliterated in turn by Wilson due to the spoiler effect.

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      Conversely: when they say this is the most important election of “our lifetimes”, and the world will end if we lose.

      (Doesn’t mean they’re wrong)

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      I know a full grown adult that does that in every election. Local elections, sure, I can understand, but he does that with all of them, Basically a card carrying communist that’s a useful idiot for right wing politicians.

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      You would need some real insurance that others were commuted to vote 3rd party no matter what. Otherwise the real benifit is just getting to that 5% mark where third parties get some bennies like federal funding and automatic ballot access in some places. Which is minor vs say stopping a campaign of vengeance from a candidate who has acted feloniously already and has abused his position to black bag political opponents before.

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      Why not vote 3rd party in states that only go one direction? Take NY for instance. What the fuck harm comes from voting 3rd party assholes for president? One time the state elected a republican candidate and it was (still is I think) the largest landslide in history. I’m 36 and have always hated the 2 party system. It’s been easier and easier as I got older too with increasing political polarity.

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        Because if enough people do that, it actually can result in that state not “doing what it always does.”

        Assuming voting for X is going to result in Y getting elected over Z “anyways” is not a good strategy for getting what you want.

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          What I want is more than 2 fucking options. What you are assuming is that I wouldn’t get what I want if a conservative won NY. For this to happen there would need to be a mass exodus of democrats abandoning their party to vote conservative. So for that to happen either the democratic candidate is God awful or the conservative is a homerun. Either way I dont give a fuck.

          I vote for my interests in state and local elections. Presidential elections in NY are the least concerning elections as they should be for every fuckin American.

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      Almost anyone with an irrational political stance betrays their youth.

      Political ideology has always captivated the passions of youth, but isn’t successfully implemented or even internalized except by people with age and experience and emotional regulation.

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        I agree with you. Do you think people become more conservative with age or is it society becoming more progressive and leaving them behind? Obviously ignoring the current regressive times of the last eight+ years there.

        To contribute an answer to the original question I offer this post as evidence of age- thinking about how much has changed during my life may have come through above.

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          Do you think people become more conservative with age or is it society becoming more progressive and leaving them behind?

          I am getting up there in years and seeing this play out over and over.

          I think every generation wants to be more progressive than the last, but we tend to carry baggage of fear and insecurity through the generations. Or more specifically, older people tend to gain the political and monetary capital needed to affect policy and shape our societal outlook and attitude. They will always be more conservative than the younger generation who will want more freedoms and personal rights, inherently, and as the ruling class will clash with newer sensibilities, over and over.

          What we’re asking here, is the conservatism reflected in our elders and leadership now broadly more harmful or helpful? Are we out of the touch or is it the kids who are wrong?

          I think it’s a mix but mostly it’s not our real problem. Our real problem is that no matter what our age, we have greatly misunderstood how our own existence works. Most people have been taught that they have brains designed to exercise logic and reason and that brains are the best thing ever if you use them and make them smart.

          No, our brains are not logical tools. We are not a rational species. There was no “age of enlightenment.” It’s all a hoax. Our brains are tools designed to write a story to explain how you feel. And that’s it. It doesn’t even have to make sense. When we all learn how our brains actually work we will collectively make better decisions, have more compassion for each other, and likely sink into even deeper despair as we all start to realize we have no free will.

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      Hate to break it to you but people born in 2006 are turning 18 this year (and are technically considered “adults”).

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        Having just turned 43, I can tell you that I don’t think I became an adult until my early/mid 30s.

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          This is a truth that everyone under 30 denies until the day they turn 30. It’s like a magic spell is suddenly broken, and you realize you’re alone in an aging meat husk that now knows the glory of back pain.

          I know a young person will read this and think this won’t happen to them. To that person: I am you from the future. Remember us as we were.

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            I think it’s kinda like the old dating age formula; you can date people (your age) / 2 + 7 years old, and you feel like that’s the age of an adult.

            When I was 15 I felt like ann adult, but people younger than me were teens. When I was 25 I felt like an adult but people under the age of like 20 were just kids. Now I feel like people in their early/mid-20s are just about adults. I’m sure when I’m 50 I’ll think back to myself now and consider myself barely an adult.

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          I’m 40 and it seems like I can continually look back at myself from five years ago and think damn I was an idiot back then. I wonder how I will feel in five years…

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      That assumes you live in one of a small number of countries for which politics significantly shifted after one of those countries was attacked.

      And also that you’re at least old enough to have had a reasonable mature understanding of the political landscape before 2001, so as to appreciate how things changed. Let’s assume that’d make you at least 20.

      …So, we have to be at least 43 years old, and American, or you’ll assume we’re children?

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      To actually understand you’d have to have been following politics pre 9/11, which would make you probably 16 at the time. That means 39 right now. That’s a lot of adults you’re ruling out.

      If you want to say understand society pre and post 9/11, then you’re probably talking 12 at the time, so 35 right now. Still a lot of adults you’re ruling out.

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        I don’t care for politics.

        Your sphere of control should match your sphere of concern; and neither of those things are what you think they are.

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          You think politics are in my control in any way, shape, or form? They’ve gerrymandered my vote to irrelevance.

          I still vote, I look at the platforms and vote for whomever I feel serves my interests the most, not that the party’s platform means jack or shit. They’re all just pandering to whatever they know you want to hear, and once they get into power, they do whatever the hell they want.

          My district leans a particular way, and whether I vote with them, or against them, the same party is elected to govern. I’d say my vote is pretty useless in that context.

          I was too young to vote, pre-9/11, and had even less interest in politics than I do now. I’ve vaguely followed along since I got registered to vote when I got old enough to do so, but it’s not like learning about what happened before I was registered to vote will help me in any way. I make the best choice based on the information that is available, and in the end, it doesn’t even matter.

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            Could anyone persuade you to vote on what’s better for most people instead of what’s better for yourself? Maybe it’s the same policies maybe not.

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              I usually want whatever is best for the majority. I’m done college, and I paid my student loans, I’ll vote for student loan forgiveness and a restructuring of that system so others don’t have to go through what I did.

              I’m pretty healthy and rarely need hospitals but universal healthcare is something that everyone should have.

              I would also vote for UBI, though I would get no benefit from it, as I’ve been employed pretty much non-stop since I left college.

              I would also vote to raise the minimum wage, though my salary is significantly amount the minimums.

              My principles are in line with what most people would consider to be the greater good for all people. I believe in true equality, and I don’t feel like that’s what we have, some people just aren’t given the same basic rights, especially in America with roe v. Wade being overturned. Bodily autonomy and the right to love, and marry whomever you want. I don’t believe in lowering the bar to give the illusion of things being “fair”, eg, allowing people who are otherwise mentally or physically incapable of doing a job, to do the job just because they’re a particular race, gender, or something else (making it more about who they are than whether they’re the best fit for a job).

              I don’t think I need any convincing to vote for what’s good for someone else.

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                Agreed, we are like minded in many ways. Thanks for the kind and long response. I believe your earlier comments were being taken by myself and others as fuck everyone I’ll get/I’ve got mine. Sorry I don’t mince words at the moment.

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                  No apology needed. No offense taken.

                  I know that text replies, especially terse ones can be interpreted in many ways. Often I tend to be rather verbose to get my point across accurately. Some then complain about the verbosity of my replies.

                  It’s a struggle to find the right amount of terse while being verbose enough to not be misunderstood.

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          Why? How does knowing how politics worked before I could vote, help me as a voter today?

          I understand enough about politics to cast my vote and beyond the act of voting, I generally don’t follow politics. I vote based on party platforms (what they intend to do) and the likelihood of those things happening. Eg, if a party was to say that they’ll make everyone rich, I would consider that statement to be delusional, unrealistic and not something that could be fulfilled even if that party was voted in. This is an extreme example, but I think you get my meaning.

          Beyond doing my due diligence in figuring out who I want to vote for, and then voting for that party… What else do I realistically need?

          My district always elects the same party anyways, whether I vote for them or not. I’ve landed in a gerrymandered location and that party basically always wins, but I still vote regardless.

          IMO, I shouldn’t need to take a political history course to be considered to be a responsible voter.

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    I’m actually gonna give the benefit of the doubt and assume this is actually a grown idiot lol

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    Specifically in games: constantly repeating the flavor of the month insults. Typically some influencer comes up with a funny insult then for the rest of the month some kids use that one singular insult for every situation

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    I don’t know about you all, but I have been posting as an adult human male for a numbers of years now despite being a 4 year old Alaskan Malamute. No one seems to notice or care.

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    I don’t really know, but when they have weird illogical views that they defend with trump like arguments, I think they are kids. They might not be 10.

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          That was really interesting. I had a friend who’s brother killed himself when he was a young teen. If things didn’t go his way or he was overly irritated, especially when he was drunk, he reacted by destroying things like a pubescent boy might. He also came from a wealthy family so I always thought that contributed as well, like not caring if he breaks something just buy a new one. But he didn’t just break his own things. I had to end the friendship when he drunkenly threatened a woman who lived in my building with a gun. I hope he’s ok.

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            6 months ago

            Sorry to hear about your friend. While I’m no doctor, that seems to fit the bill to me. I’ve known people that had other trauma when young, and yeah, maintaining healthy relationships seems to be the hardest thing for them. Your story reminded me of a lot.