“Democracy is when the US gets what it wants, and when the US doesn’t get what it wants saving democracy is when we do a coup to stop someone we don’t want from being democratically elected.” - Lemvi
Ah, the good old strawman. I never mentioned the US.
I’ve seen comments like this a few times now. “He speaks out in favor of democracy, so he must blindly agree with anything the US does!” (there, another strawman)
No, I can advocate for democracy without being a fan of the US. I’d even go so far as to say that anyone really advocating for democracy should be highly sceptical of the processes they have in the US, as they aren’t really democratic.
And yet you have nothing to say about the democratically elected Bolivian courts ruling in the democratically elected Morales’ favor. The courts with judges elected by the Bolivian people disagree with you. And who are you to question their, and by extension the Bolivian people, decision?
In this instance we have a court comprised of judges that have been elected not by the people, but by Congress, with each judge having been elected up to ten years ago on one hand. On the other we have a recent referendum held among the people.
They contradict one another, the people do not want to allow a third term for presidents, the court does.
In my opinion there are two questions we should ask to determine which side is more likely to represent the will of the people:
Which election took place more recently?
Which election was more direct?
The referendum was more recent than the election of most of the judges.
The referendum was also held by the population directly, while the judges were appointed by congress.
So in my opinion the result of the referendum should hold more weight than the judges’ decision.
No, how recent an election is isn’t the sole criteria. And as we’ve seen with Brexit, referendums aren’t an open-and-shut case for gauging the will of the people. To use another example, there have been multiple referendums in Crimea dating back to the 90s where Crimeans want to secede from Ukraine and join Russia, but I seriously doubt you’ll say that the annexation of Crimea by Russia was just Putin doing what the Crimean people wanted to be done since the 90s.
It’s not a strawman. You claimed democracy eroded under him when what, term limits changed? Democracy isn’t defined by term limits you fucking idiot and the UK has none, Germany has none, etc etc. Does that make it less democratic than other countries? No it fucking doesn’t.
You’re an idiot. Bolivia is significantly more democratic than the US. You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of how their system is structured, you’re entirely vibes based. How do their courts work? What’s the structure of the government? How does it interact with the courts? Do you know any of these things in even the vaguest fucking detail at all? No you fucking don’t.
When I call the US undemocratic I do so from a position of understanding its entire system top to bottom, its branches, its hierarchy, how its branches interact, who has power over what, etc etc etc. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about, you regurgitate whatever vibe some bullshit liberal media source has put in your feelings and have absolutely zero actual knowledge whatsoever outside of those feels. You’re concept of basically every other country is 100% propaganda driven feels rather than any level of actually educated investigation. I bet you couldn’t even say how many years exist between elections, you’re on that level of lack of knowledge and vibes-based statements here.
And those vibes lead you to idiotically supporting US intervention, coups, and going door to door with death squads killing people. Slap yourself. You’re a fuck.
“Democracy is when the US gets what it wants, and when the US doesn’t get what it wants saving democracy is when we do a coup to stop someone we don’t want from being democratically elected.” - Lemvi
Ah, the good old strawman. I never mentioned the US. I’ve seen comments like this a few times now. “He speaks out in favor of democracy, so he must blindly agree with anything the US does!” (there, another strawman) No, I can advocate for democracy without being a fan of the US. I’d even go so far as to say that anyone really advocating for democracy should be highly sceptical of the processes they have in the US, as they aren’t really democratic.
And yet you have nothing to say about the democratically elected Bolivian courts ruling in the democratically elected Morales’ favor. The courts with judges elected by the Bolivian people disagree with you. And who are you to question their, and by extension the Bolivian people, decision?
In this instance we have a court comprised of judges that have been elected not by the people, but by Congress, with each judge having been elected up to ten years ago on one hand. On the other we have a recent referendum held among the people.
They contradict one another, the people do not want to allow a third term for presidents, the court does.
In my opinion there are two questions we should ask to determine which side is more likely to represent the will of the people:
The referendum was more recent than the election of most of the judges. The referendum was also held by the population directly, while the judges were appointed by congress.
So in my opinion the result of the referendum should hold more weight than the judges’ decision.
No, how recent an election is isn’t the sole criteria. And as we’ve seen with Brexit, referendums aren’t an open-and-shut case for gauging the will of the people. To use another example, there have been multiple referendums in Crimea dating back to the 90s where Crimeans want to secede from Ukraine and join Russia, but I seriously doubt you’ll say that the annexation of Crimea by Russia was just Putin doing what the Crimean people wanted to be done since the 90s.
It’s not a strawman. You claimed democracy eroded under him when what, term limits changed? Democracy isn’t defined by term limits you fucking idiot and the UK has none, Germany has none, etc etc. Does that make it less democratic than other countries? No it fucking doesn’t.
You’re an idiot. Bolivia is significantly more democratic than the US. You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of how their system is structured, you’re entirely vibes based. How do their courts work? What’s the structure of the government? How does it interact with the courts? Do you know any of these things in even the vaguest fucking detail at all? No you fucking don’t.
When I call the US undemocratic I do so from a position of understanding its entire system top to bottom, its branches, its hierarchy, how its branches interact, who has power over what, etc etc etc. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about, you regurgitate whatever vibe some bullshit liberal media source has put in your feelings and have absolutely zero actual knowledge whatsoever outside of those feels. You’re concept of basically every other country is 100% propaganda driven feels rather than any level of actually educated investigation. I bet you couldn’t even say how many years exist between elections, you’re on that level of lack of knowledge and vibes-based statements here.
And those vibes lead you to idiotically supporting US intervention, coups, and going door to door with death squads killing people. Slap yourself. You’re a fuck.