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The Motherland will always reject fascism
Fascism?
In my post-Soviet country?
It’s more likely than you think.
I want to coin the term “Polandization” for the process in which decades of propaganda make countries in Eastern Europe invaded by Nazis and liberated by Soviets, hate communism and embrace fascism.
Yeah, the trident is a fascist symbol
Can you explain?
Since it was back from the dumpster of monarchic history somewhere in late XIX century, people using it were: nationalists, protofascists, cossacks, various pogromists bands, nazi collaborators, western puppets-in-exile, shocktherapist social murderers, neonazis. All those groups have first and foremost one thing in common: love for fascism and hate for communism.
Fascism!
Are you asking genuinely or being obtuse for a weak attempt at a dunk?
It’s genuine.
Alright. Ukraine is full of fascists, the symbol is one used by fascists.
Ukraine has integrated Nazis into it’s military and civil service. It glorifies an SS collaborator by the name of Stephan Bandera. It has what is basically Hitler Jugend camps. It persecutes ethnic minorities and wishes to drive them out of Ukraine. It bombed two regions for 8 years (in breach of two treaties) because they had a russian-speaking minority. The Ukrainian military uses civilians as shields and cluster munitions. They have banned 11 opposition parties due to alleged ties to Russia luckily for Zelensky this means his major competition suddenly disappeared. He still decided to suspend elections due to the war despite this being illegal (elections can be suspended in states under martial law, but this is not the entirety of Ukraine) and even if it was legal, that doesn’t really validate the action.The sign mounted on the shield is the insignia of a group of fascists.
These things aren’t mentioned to justify any geopolitical actions, but instead to point out how Ukraine is a fascist country.
There’s more, but I’m apprehensive of making any real effort due to a track record of people arguing against this in bad faith.
Damn, I didn’t knew that. Thank you for the explanation.
You’re welcome, thank you for asking a genuine question and responding now. I apologise for the antagonistic interaction you’re experiencing from many users (including myself) in this thread.
Don’t worry, the antagonistic interactions that I get are somewhere else.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
may it rust into nothingness
Death to fascism!
I love when reality is laughably on the nose
This is “undergraduate creative writing assignment” levels of on the nose.
I’m starting to believe in simulation theory. I think the fall of the USSR was the planned end and now some alien is just seeing what wacky hijinks they can cause in our world.
“With this nation’s death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created”
I keep poking at a short story based on a literal fever dream I had, where I woke up from the torment nexus and learned we were all reactionary war criminals being rehabilitated by being forced to live in the hell we’d fought to make, over and over again until we learned better. That whole line of thinking is real cognitohazard shit, though.
I would read that
Well, if I ever get it to where it’s both finished and I’m happy with it I intend to dump it on c/writing or c/literature.
Samsara-gulag
When line goes up enough it overflows the buffer and clobbers the stack.
Me when my.last darkest dungeon character just won’t die
If this was a visual metaphor in a movie or a video game people would call it lazy lol
but Tito:Tito-slip:
Lol they consider communism worse than Nazism, but they decide to keep the statue and change the emblem. The equivalent of a democrat keeping a confederate statue and putting an afro on its head. How can anyone take these people seriously?
Just for the sake of discussion, this is an odd thing to do, right? To repurpose monuments? I feel like you either tear them down wholecloth or have them around as some sort of memorial. To have national pride in a monument, except that one bit, seems so odd.
I like repurposing monuments when it’s funny, like that one confederate statue where someone cut off the rider but left the horse, and over the plaque they just spraypainted HORSE
It’s because they’re trying to convince everyone that the USSR had no place in their nation’s history aside from the bad stuff
It’s why they covered the hammer and sickle, it’s why they turned that Lenin statue into Darth Vader and it’s why they keep lifting a murderous piece of shit like Bandera up as a national icon
I feel like that would arrive you at tearing those monuments down, not changing them around a bit, which is why the whole thing seems so odd to me
The problem being is that they want to take over the history, to subsume it and make it their own
Being capitalists however, they do it on the cheap and we end up here
Cost too much to tear down probably
That and knowing what they rebuild in its place won’t look nearly as cool
That’s because the country rejects its rich history within the USSR in favor of random psychopaths massacring people and selling their countrymen and country to the wolves. What culture is there left to be proud of when you denounce your culture? You either start from scratch, or you desperately delude yourself by appropriating what was already there.
Ukrainian nationalists and liberals will “ACKSHUALLY” when you mention “Soviets” fought against fascism or liberated Auschwitz because “it was Ukrainians who did it.” That’s correct, but they’re desperate to make it a vacuum to create a new narrative. Same with them banning V-Day even though it’s a celebration of ALL soviets defeating fascism and replaced it with some generic bullshit while inviting the US to participate.
liberated Auschwitz because “it was Ukrainians who did it.”
Seen this before but not sure where this comes from because *ackshually* the 322nd rifle division was formed in the Moscow military district and was 90% Russian at its inception. Haven’t really looked into the anti-communists’ claim though.
Rolling with this surely I’d still tear down the historical monuments and replace them for the random psychopath massacrarers?
Yes, but my other point is that they appropriate what is already there. You cannot deny that Ukraine was a major contributor to defeating fascism or very industrious or prosperous under the USSR. Not even the pro-west nationalists and fanboys. But they will try to spin it so that it was simply Ukrainians pulling themselves up by the bootstraps in spite of Russian repression instead of a team effort. You know, a union.
Destroying a statue of a mythological persona means completely denying their successful Soviet history which would be pathetic because their modern history is not better. Instead, you leave it to acknowledge your role, then appropriate it to change the narrative to fit your new image. “We were successful, but the ruskies held us down!” It’s essentially nationalist nostalgia and desire for when they mattered and had strength but discarding the ideology that got them that strength.
Destroying a statue of a mythological persona means completely denying their successful Soviet history which would be pathetic because their modern history is not better. Instead, you leave it to acknowledge your role, then appropriate it to change the narrative to fit your new image. “We were successful, but the ruskies held us down!” It’s essentially nationalist nostalgia and desire for when they mattered and had strength but discarding the ideology that got them that strength.
I’m not trying to be arguitative but if I claim myself as this grand industrial producing bootstrap nation replacing bits of symbols on our national treasured / hated monument still feels odd
ever will the human mind astound us with its ability to hold contradictions with conviction
Oh don’t worry. They already renamed the street to Babi Yar after one of the instigators of the massacre. Still felt entitled to cry about a russian rocket hitting the site tho.
From the looks of it, this is a really big one, so maybe it would be a waste/too much of a pain to fully destroy.
Blow the legs out of the 100m statue surrounded by well over 100+m of hillside full of shrubs and just leave the pieces there as a new, powerful memorial seems so much easier than doing 100m high construction work that falls apart after a year
it’s very strange behavior.
Ukraine is master of the self-own
The jokes just write themselves.
I love when real life has foreshadowing.
the trident sucks and is ugly. why does nobody talk about this. also the blue and yellow flag is cringe as hell. people need to talk about how bad the aesthetics of the ukraine seems to be.
Guy who plays Iyanden in 40k-ass country.
The country has the tastes and preferences of a 4 year old boy
No shaming Iyanden, Rites of War was the best game in genre despite many strong contenders.
Maybe it’s my 3rd Ed roots talking but Iyanden had a reputation as a “munchkin” army of the most annoying type like pre codex Necrons.
Good, Eldar haters tears are like rejuvenat for me
Oh, I have 4000 points of Alaitoc from my mispent youth (and, shamefully, 1500 points of 2nd edition Necrons.)
Let me age you again: Many eldar models are old enough to drink in the US.
Tell me more, i stopped playing miniature 40k even before things like Necrons first shown up.
The Ukrainian SSR had a banging flag
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