People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.
It wasn’t high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn’t see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.
People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they’ve repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.
Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They’re leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there’s nobody left to blame now but the party itself.
This is why abandoning the “grocery store” strategy for “trump said naughty words” was a huge mistake.
Democrats are now hallucinating Harris supporting a ceasefire in Gaza
Harris Doesn’t Support Arms Embargo on Israel, a Top Adviser Says
At her Michigan Rally two days ago she vowed to do all she can to end the war in Gaza. Granted it was way too little too late. No idea why she waited until a day before the election to say the thing everybody has been wanting her to say since the beginning.
More accurately, it’s the potential voters sitting at home not voting that did it. Republican-leaning people got out and voted, as they always do.
So yes, I totally blame the DNC for being so afraid of polularism that they would basically squander 1 billion in donations for an amazingly ineffective get out the vote effort. Why should I donate to the DNC again?
“vote for a ceasefire” is the ceasefire in the room with us now? Because I’m not surprised people DIDNT vote for someone who was the fucking president but refused to pressure to end a war because it could be used as leverage in an election campaign.
Do you think Kamala Harris was the president, or do you think people are upset that voters didn’t vote for Joe Biden?
I’m pretty sure she vowed to not be silent on Gaza, and then didn’t really bring it up until 2? days before the election? Even if she said somewhere about ceasefire she clearly didn’t mean it.
Straight up Reddit tier cope from liberals this last week. If you wanted to win don’t turn away 15 million people from your base to pander to a bunch of MAGA voters who were always picking trump regardless. Absolute fucking morons.
Drag agrees that Harris’s campaign sucked, and Harris is to blame. Drag also thinks America voted for a fascist, and America is to blame. The great thing about blame is that two people can both be 100% at fault.
Found Bob Dole’s Lemmy account!
Harris is a fascist, you lib
Harris wasn’t pro ceasfire in Gaza, please stop gaslighting people.
Biden was pro two state solution and ceasefire… So is Kamala lmfao.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/27/1208694837/two-state-solution-israeli-palestinian-conflict
Cool, I can say I have billions of dollars, and that makes it true then. Look at the actions, not what they say.
Their platform was weak.
They ran an old man with brain damage for most of the campaign.
His replacement spent two months of campaign time telling poverty wage workers to be joyful and didn’t even put a platform on their website until a few weeks before the election. Watching that felt very tone deaf and condescending.
The other meme they repeated was how weird Trump and Vance are, as if they didn’t already objectively know the voters don’t care about that.
They didn’t run a good campaign.
2 days before election Harris announced legalized marijuana and 1 day before that she mentuoned she would be ok looking into Gaza more.
Her “first time homebuyers” aid was actually only for first generational homebuyers mainly immigrants and who had rented from a corporate owned apartment complex for 2 years.
Her business aid plan was for people who already had a business operating in specific cities and areas for “black men and others” to get loans. emphasis on “others” being her’s not mine.
It was a campaign of protecting status quo first, not people. While telling them they didn’t realize how good they had it.
Weak is an understatement.
Well I’m glad we dodged having an old man with brain damage in the White House… ooh wait.
Fair point.
No matter who we elected we were getting a useful idiot for the rich, but that’s partisanship for you.
Goalposts
I don’t think old man with brain damage is much of a counter. That is what got elected.
Too complicated for 90% of voters to comprehend.
They saw: Democrat president made my groceries more expensive
They heard: Democrat replacement will do things around the same as they used to be. Republican guy is going to do things VERY differently.
And the herd mentality took over past that point
Don’t forget immigrants and black cities are scary.
And that republican guy told them he’s going to ramp up inflation. (tariffs, mass deportation) and raise their income taxes (the vast majority of his voters are not 1%). And they still voted for him.
But they won’t understand that. It’s all about feeling instead of logic. Honestly think the deck was stacked against the incumbent this year, just as it was in '20 because of COVID and '08 because of the financial crisis. As the saying goes “It’s the economy, stupid!”
It’s exactly why there is nothing but fear and hate blasting across every digital and analog service known to humankind. The United States has literally saturated itself, through it’s own volition, in whatever the peddlers were selling. They became the ultimate consumer. When you are literally breathing in the propaganda, cortisol cranked to 11 and the only option on the menu is all or nothing politics this is what ya get.
~75 million chose the devil they don’t know and the DNC needs to reflect on that. Or die. Their choice. The rest of us probably won’t even get that choice.
??? It is literally impossible for any voter to not know the devil they chose. No, over 70 million voters actively chose to elect perhaps the most incompetent and transparently stupid president in history back into office, but with a well known and well documented playbook this time around on how literally entry metric of American life, from domestic policy to foreign policy, will be made worse to the sole benefit of big corporate actors and 1%ers. A whole bunch of others were too apathetic to be concerned by this.
Voters ultimately made their choice. A lot of folks are going to die as a result, but unfortunately it won’t be limited to just the idiots that actually chose this.
His first term was a bungle. They had two years of a majority and couldn’t even finish the blueprints for a wall. I really don’t think the GOP was prepared. They are now.
And obviously the unengaged 50% of the country didn’t care or pay attention.
They chose the devil they very much know.
You can’t honestly think this is true. People didn’t switch—at least not any significant percentage. I think it was a 1% swing. People stayed home.
The democrats don’t own the votes of people. They swung for the neocons. Leaving the people who’d been arrested for sitting in their schools for not liking a fuckin genocide to sacrifice their values. Again. It’s always on those of us that want better to sacrifice our values to keep the wolves from the door. While the Democratic Party opens the back door for them when they hold the keys anyway.
They are doing the same thing over and over, shutting out even a middle of the road progressive like sanders. And then they expect to hold onto voters who want real change? They can’t promise more and more of the same and then expect people to get excited. This is 100% on them.
Sorry, no. 15 million+ people that voted in '20 did not stay home because of Palestine. Jill Stein was the candidate I heard of most from the “Genocide Joe” crowd, and I don’t think she reach 1% in any battleground state. America does not care about the plight of Palestine. Sad truth.
People stayed home.
Abstaining is a vote unto itself, and partisans of both flavors are wont to ignore that voting doesn’t materially affect the lives of the poor and middle class. No matter who they elect things get worse, so when faced with the choice of missing a badly-needed day’s pay and voting, they choose to get paid.
I mean, this is true, but in most states you have the option to vote early, vote by mail. We can’t ignore the middle part of your statement: capitalism is getting more and more hostile and no one is offering us a solution. Just giving us differently colored badges to pin to our lapel while telling us the beatings will continue until morale improves.
Give us someone who is actually speaking to us and our needs and we’d have turnout like they wouldn’t believe. But both parties actively suppress anyone trying to do so. Which has been on display my entire life, but has definitely come into much sharper focus in the past 12 years.
No matter who they elect things get worse
“Whether I get a minor laceration or I lose my arm, I’m still going to bleed”
If you’re working 2-3 jobs and upwards of 100 hours a week, none of it will matter to you. All you know is you have to struggle to live and no one we elect will change it.
And this sense of superiority and refusal to understand or empathize is why hundreds of millions don’t listen to you.
Lol, you don’t know me, or that I’ve literally been there.
And this sense of superiority and refusal to understand or empathize is why hundreds of millions don’t listen to you.
Pot and kettle friend.
Do you even know what that life is like? Working yourself to the bone to feed your family and still staring down the barrel of an election that you tangentially know will harm you in some way?
I’ve done 80hr weeks for years, and it fucking sucks. Check your assumptions, because this sense of superiority is why I ignore people like you. I’ve been there, but I still made the time when I had to with shit like absentee voting. Not everyone has that ability, but don’t pretend like that takes away their agency, even if they have little energy to put to it
I’m not judging you. (And I should have made that more clear. I apologize.)
I’m judging the sentiment, and until Democrats learn to actually speak to workers, they’re going to lose elections.
It’s even worse than that. They consume media that actively misinforms and lies about the democrats.
I was helping my uncle with his computer a few years ago and got a glimpse of his email inbox with emails about how Hillary Clinton is so evil. And my aunt gets all her news from a website hosted by the same company that hosts trump’s social media website.
Things can not get better as long as we allow these propagandists to operate.
I hated reading this, because it sure seems like it’s the truth.
The simple fact is a LOT of Americans don’t have the time to do real research. They are entirely reliant on media to break down the complex issues into small chunks. And we know that no longer exists.
Do we expect someone that has to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet now and an hour or two helping their children with homework, to also spend hours researching current events and political stances beyond what they can get in 30 or 60 minutes from the TV before they have to go to bed and do it all over tomorrow?
Democrats lost worse on 2024 than Republicans did 2020. We judge Republicans for supporting their party after Trump effectively commandeered it but we don’t hold ourselves to the same standard when the Democratic party has been shown to be an absolute and abject failure. Maybe it’s time we look in the mirror. We gave Democrats three chances, 2016, 2020, and 2024 and they failed to deliver every time. We need to hold ourselves to the same standards we hold Republicans and start thinking about alternatives.
Yes, good thinking. The democrats are losing the vote, so we shouldn’t vote for them. And while we’re at it, we can continue the beatings until morale improves!
You’re right, if we stop voting Democrat we might have a fascist come into power with control of all three branches of government…oh wait, fuck
… maybe we can vote democrat and stop it for a second time? …wait, wait fuck
… well maybe we can keep voting democrat to stop it happening for a third time I guess?
Democrat supporters are fucking deluded at this point.
this voting system is stupid as f@%k though: as a voter, you should be able to sort your candidates as per your preference, not chose pick one and only one
check this out : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method?wprov=sfla1
Yeah but this election really wasn’t the time to pick this fight.
Average. Liberals would have you believe it’s never the time.
Honestly, I don’t care at this point. We’re already past mitigating the worst effects of climate change, and we just elected a climate change denier. Climate change is not linear. It’s exponential. Nothing matters anymore. We just don’t know it yet.
Yes, the lesser evil lost to the greater one again, and they and their diehard supporters insist on learning nothing.
Fence sitters, young people, and the lazy succumbed to right wing and foreign propaganda to depress voter turnout for Biden and this Kamala and it worked like a charm.
Let’s not pretend any of you useful idiots pedalling the same thing aren’t doing them a favor by yelling what they had been pushing for 8 years.
People didn’t turn out much more than they changed their vote.
Drag will amend drag’s question.
You seriously thought a fascist dictatorship was an alternative not worth preventing?
I’m saying, don’t hallucinate an alternate reality.
Your point’s ok, but your habit of speaking about yourself in the third person is really grating and it comes across as snobby.
No, it sounds like regression to a toddler’s inability to use pronouns.
Drag isn’t talking about dragself in third person.
🙄 Proceeds to talk in some weird third-person adjacent way of referring to themselves. Shut up dude.
It’s just a gimmick account with a silly style to amuse themself, who gives a shit? Just ignore it and move on…
No, drag is using first person pronouns.
If you were, you’d have written “am not” instead of “isn’t”.
I mean okay. That’s kind of not how people work. You can hate it, but it’s just not how people work. I thought y’all had learned that by now.
RCV
Eh.
We’ve had it since 1919 in Australia, yet we still have the same two parties right and righter.
RCV alone is not the answer.
That’s because Australia has a system like the US electoral college, but even more granular.
You’re right. Most people will still vote for the primary candidates, but in an election like this past one where we could have had Harris and a white man on the Dem ticket, RCV could have swung the vote blue.
And no, alone it will not fix the problems, but it’s a key change. Yall have around 20% of offices held by third party or independent. US has none or close to none.
