I know the leftist in me is supposed to have sympathy for these people and get them to unionize. But only after I stop laughing and enjoying this moment. For years these fucks told the rest of us to “learn to code” and pretended like studying anything else at uni was a fucking waste of time.
GUESS WHAT FUCKERS. SO WAS CODING. Looks like we’ll be baristas together, only I’ll have three years of experience!!!
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wow you mean the money faucet running dry means suddenly all the startups that could never and would never turn a profit suddenly collapsed? shocking
i dont really know what to do. i learned to code and right now i can’t get a job.
all of my experience is in programming, so i can’t really get into other industries. i can’t do most jobs bc i am disabled and cannot drive, so the fact all the current advice is “do a job that requires the ability to drive” really isn’t helpful. like even if i made enough money to move to the city i still couldn’t be a plumber.
if anyone has any advice on jobs that are remote i would appreciate it
finance firms, honestly. they’re immune to the underlying causes of this crash so they’re still hiring programmers.
as a dumbass, recent graduate, and person who just started programming for a finance company as my first job - how/why are finance companies immune to the crash? it makes sense that they must be, because we do nothing and spend too much and honestly this company (on my level at least) should be fucking hemoraging money. its the most David Graeber bullshit jobs thing possible and yet we’re actively hiring, its wild
yep my job is also bullshit. my entire org should be like 10 people if you cut all the bloat. all I know is that my company provides liquidity on trades so they make money even when the economy is crashing.
sorry 1 day late but, isn’t it pretty ghoulish to work at a finance firm? You’d be advancing the ability for capitalist cutthroats to leave more people without jobs and without houses because of the inherent instability of the market, increasing leverage and putting more and more capital into extremely turbid waters that could wash away hundreds of thousands of people’s life savings overnight. I guess it’s not as bad as being a cop or working at the MIC, and Marxism != moralism, but am I wrong to see the people working as quants to be around the same as the petit bourgeoisie?
probably? it’s just the only place to get work right now. if/when the money spigot turns back on, I’ll go back to something with fewer ethical issues, but right now I just need work. plus my position is pretty bullshit so I’m pretty sure I’m just receiving money. like my job is so abstracted away from what actually earns them money and so focused idealistic platitudes that it’s hard to see how it improves their ability to do much of anything. but yeah, not claiming it’s ethically great.
That’s fair enough, sorry if my comment sounded judgemental.
no it’s all good, I went through this with my wife when I took the job. I was against it until I realized this. it also helped that their majority money maker is “providing liquidity to the market” - which means they’re doing arbitrage against other financebros and I give way less of a fuck.
See I’m currently going through a CS degree and I have no idea why a finance firm would need a programmer. And what kind of firms are we even talking, like banks and credit unions, or something considerably more arcane?
Finance firms use computer algorithms to make market predictions and automate their buying and selling. A lot of math majors go into finance.
all the current advice is “do a job that requires the ability to drive”
a decade or so ago i was convinced we were no more than 30 years away from eliminating human drivers as a job, and now i’m working on inventing time travel just so i can go back and push me into a locker.
I still think we should learn to code just cuz its a genuinely useful skill and we shouldn’t let giant corporations determine what software we use
That applies to all skills, but unfortunately there are so many hours in a day dor us to learn skills. Somee of us can code, some can bake. Some are excellent woodworkers, and others have a knack for gardeneing/farming. All skills are valid and needed in society. What we REALLY need to do is meet up with various people with various skill sets and form co-ops/communes to ensure everyone has everything they need.
Somee of us can code, some can bake. Some are excellent woodworkers, and others have a knack for gardeneing/farming.
I’m one of those crazy people that want to do all of that
Well python is pretty easy to pick up. U don’t have to be a full on software engineer, u can write simple scripts
It’s good to know, but I honestly can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve used my coding skills to automate something I needed to do outside of my projects/work/gaming. It’s pretty low down my list of practical skills, just based on personal experience.
How about “Learn to plumb”? All that code is going to be useless when your sanitation and water delivery systems collapse due to a lack of tradesmen.
Currently teaching my twelve year old son and eleven year old daughter how to plumb. They dont have to do it forever, but theyll have a skill they can fall back on and make a semi-living wage until they find a direction of their own. My son is having a hard time understanding that we cant all be coders, or whatever. My daughter tells me its what she wants to do because its what her daddy does.
As someone actively trying to get into the industry, this is a certified bummer. I’ll keep working at it anyway.
<3 Keep your head up comrade. As shitty as all the Tech Bros / STEMlords can be and as much as the backlash like this is (somewhat deservedly) also aimed at them I do wish it was easier to both celebrate their reality check while also not celebrating joblessness for anyone, as well as being careful about keeping structural critiques aimed at structures so it doesn’t splash damage our comrades so much. It will bounce back, because our whole fucked up system is designed around that (only to crash again, yay) but I believe in you and it’s not wrong to keep pushing even if, or especially when things look dire.
That being said, I do see why critiques of structures can be applied to those that uphold them and I know it’s not the intent of anyone here to do either of the two negative things I mentioned so this isn’t some kind of scold post for OP or anything, just that I empathize.
Was it coders saying that? I thought it was out of touch politicians.
It actually peaked with techbros on twitter aiming at journalists when there were mass layoffs after pivot to video failed. The politician line was always STEM education, “learn to code” was a twitter dunk thing.
Wasn’t saying “learn to code” to journalists a response to journalists saying “learn to code” to other industries getting laid off?
No, “upskilling” was the line from like mainstream centrist journalist. Pretending that the attacks were some populist grassroots thing from formerly laid off workers is kinda made up. It was mostly techbros or excel guys with made up job titles that were doing that.
Shoutout to my dad in 2020 who told me to become a blockchain developer because it was the future.
I am not a programmer at all, btw.
What was that saying, uhh, um, “in a gold rush, pan for gold”?
I think this is mostly going to end up hurting PMC ghouls who were middle managers at like Google, Facebook, or Twitter, at least in the long run. The world would have to radically collapse in order for coding/IT jobs to stop growing in general, since every business and industry is only going to get increasingly entangled with digital technology. What’s drying up are the “Lead Metaverse Development Specialist” type positions, as the US Government slows down the free money tap and giant tech conglomerates have to stop setting cash on fire.
That’s all to say: I think it’s fine to laugh at this. If these people have real skills beyond “project management,” they’ll probably be fine (or as fine as anyone) eventually; they might just have to get real jobs.
