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Is it empathy?
I mean, I have empathy for real live people.
But imaginary people? That’s something different.
Yes, it’s empathy plus anthropomorphising. There’s nothing wrong with refusing to anthropomorphise, but for the people who do, the empathy is real, even if the characters are not.
anthropomorphising How so? Everyone in the comic looks like the same species to me.
Wrong? I didn’t say anything about wrong.
I said they’re different. Worlds apart in fact.
One is evoked by an imaginary person. The other is evoked by a real person.
It’s as different as bananas and banana-emojis.
Wait, nevermind. I am a worm
That’s still empathy. We’re really good at projecting.
No it’s something else. Because imaginary people are totally different from real people.
Fun fact: I think I had to purposefully construct my sense of empathy.
I was literally like psychopath-sadist when I was really young. I didn’t really enact anything irl besides torturing bugs or imagining cartoon characters in pain, but around 4yo I started feeling like I was a bad person because other people didn’t seem to desire to do those things, in fact hero’s in movies purposefully avoided violence.
So the shame/guilt of feeling like I was a monster, a the desire to be like everyone else, lead me to try and make myself feel pain when I hurt other things. When my mother or sisters would tell me to come kill a spider I’d pinch myself or bite my tongue while doing so.
Then, being a curious kid, I started just trying to imagine the physical sensations of being in different bodies and having different injuries. This eventually spread to trying to imagine different emotions and by and by I didn’t have to force myself to feel it anymore. When I see someone/something get hurt, I don’t have to think about it now, I just feel it.
While I’ll admit it is possible that I’m correlating this purposeful imagination with some possible natural development of my brain creating empathy, considering that until recently I only really felt pain, negative emotions, and physical sensations through empathy, I’d say it seems most likely I built it myself.
Since realizing this a few years ago, I have started trying to feel happy/positive empathy too and it does seem like it’s been working. Though, it’s slow going because I’m hella antisocial lol.
Oh and just in case anyone is worried, I’m no longer sadistic at all. I literally can’t bring myself to kill spiders or other bugs, and there are some scenes in movies I can’t stand to watch. I can unfortunately still feel those old feelings and empathize with sadistic characters/actions, but the saccharine feeling of enjoying causing pain actually makes me physically sick now.
I wouldn’t be too hard on yourself, kids are weird in that they can have huge blindspots in their empathy because they’re too young to have had to wear another person’s shoes, so to speak. By the time you’re an adult, either you’ve gone through enough shoes to become a well-adjusted, empathetic person, …or not. But even then, we all have blind spots we can improve on.
So if anything, putting yourself in another person’s/bug’s shoes like you describe in the comment is proactive and should be lauded if you ask me. Lots of people don’t seem to gain empathy until they’re the ones on the other end. Hell, I don’t know you, but consider that maybe you being self-conscious about your capacity for empathy is ironically out of your empathy for the people you interact with. If you really had no empathy, then why would you care?
To me, it feels like there is a big difference between not realizing you are harming others and purposefully causing that harm because you know it is harm.
Blindspots in empathy is like saying something that hurt someone because you didn’t know it hurt them. Sadism is saying something that hurts someone because you know it will hurt them.
There’s definitely a difference between the feeling of sadism and revenge too. One you do because it feels like justice, the other you do because feels like eating candy.
This kind of ties into the answer to “why would you care?” This is actually something I’ve thought about a lot (big suprise lol) and the conclusion I’ve come to is that morality and empathy are not directly correlated.
There is a difference between not stabbing someone because you’d feel that pain, and not stabbing someone because you don’t want to be the cause of someone else’s pain.
Another influence for perceived morality is the desire to be like other people. We’re a social species so lots of us have an innate desire to feel connected to others. Sure there is some desire to be unique but often times that is constrained by the desire to be accepted.
You can satisfy this feeling Patrick Bateman style like most of the psychopaths I’ve met, where you just put up a facade, doing good things only when you know you’re being watched. Or you can satisfy it by doing what I did—which come to find out is basically cognitive behavioral therapy—trying to make yourself want to do the things others think are good.
I’m pretty sure this choice is also based on internal drives where people in the former situation want the benefits that come with being a good person or fitting in, while people in the latter case directly want to fit in, we don’t want to act good, we want to be good.
Honestly that desire to be moral that is separate from empathy can be detrimental. People tend to say that “empathy without bounds is self destruction” but it’s been my experience that the moral obsession is more damaging.
For example, not eating because your roommates have friends over in the kitchen and you would feel rude to interrupt them, is unhealthy and while it is empathy that may make you think you’ll ruin the flow of their conversation, that pain is minimal compared to the pain of not eating. You don’t do it because the empathy hurts, you do it because violating your overactive moral compass hurts.
Anyway this is turning into a rant, so I should stop. I do agree with you that most people seem to lack empathy for others and this is largely because they don’t try to see things from other people’s/things’ perspectives. But I disagree with your hypothesis that empathy is what drove me to increase my capacity for empathy in the first place. I think it was driven by much more self centered drives like pride and the desire to be wanted.
Just like birds are born with wings but it does not make them able to fly, humans have the capacity for empathy but it doesn’t mean it’s complete from birth.
Things need to be cultivated and let grow.
No one and nothing starts at complete. And this is something that we as a society need to learn again.I’m glad you found space to grow.
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??? what the fuck
I’m very curious what this deleted comment was
The lions actually wearing clothes is a nice detail
I figured it was just CYA for copyright, trademark, intellectual property infringement purposes, but I can see now it’s part of the joke.
That’d be like watching the part in The Walking Dead >!when Carl has to shoot his mom but they’re all naked.!<
I guess you’re trying to do a spoiler? But that’s not how they work on lemmy
Also the younger brother being curled up in the mother’s lap
I just realized the artist has made meme templates featuring these characters available for free on their web site. Neat!
Heh heh heh!
Dad’s shirt: [Dated pop culture reference]
Me:
This didn’t start happening for me until I started HRT. The first time this happened (unconsciously mirroring the emotions of a character), I suddenly realized why people like reading romance novels. If you can vicariously actually feel like you’re falling in love with somebody, why the hell would you not want to?
Previously I had enjoyed stories, but plot-driven stuff like mysteries and heist movies, or idea-driven stuff like hard science fiction.
Dated pop culture reference?
Fun fact: my mom says that I would always laugh at this scene when I was little.
…No, I haven’t been institutionalized. Why do you ask?
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from posting comic strips it’s that humor is very subjective. Everything is funny to someone!
my mom didn’t want me watching Lion King because she was worried I was gonna get scared of like the hyenas and scar.
which is completely acceptable because I was very easily scared. For example Darth Maul and the dementors from Harry potter made me condemn the series because I was terrified of every seeing them again
Are you likely to run into hyenas on the regular?
More likely than Dementors, I would imagine.
not at all. I’m just a scaredy cat
Dated pop culture reference: [INSERT DATED POP CULTURE REFERENCE HERE]
When Lion King came out, my best friend at the time and I were taken to see it in the cinema. We were quite young.
We were asked to leave because this scene made us cry too loudly.Wtf. Children experience empathy from when they first develop the ability to understand what is happening around them. They aren’t unfeeling psychopaths, they might be idiots that don’t understand what they are doing is impacting others, but they don’t suddenly grow a conscience and feel empathy. This is bad parenting to even consider thinking that way. You are probably a psychopath if you see your child as a psychopath, one that shouldn’t have a child.
No.
Children below a certain age are completely incapable of understanding simplified and abstracted relationships that are not directly their own. Escpecially not when its in the shape of animated 2D characters on a screen. Death is something you dont even start conceptualizing until like 4 years old.
I call bullshit.
My daughter was 3 when she was watching me play Final Fantasy 4. Cid jumped out of the airship and blew himself up.
She screamed turn it off and ran out of the room. We found her crying in the corner of the room and her mum asked what happened. In between sobbing she choked out “… Cid…” and that was all she could say until she calmed down.
That’s just one example. Plenty of other times she’s just covered her eyes and said she doesn’t want to watch anymore if people are arguing on screen, or a death is involved.
So you don’t think it just may have been scary? Kids get scared early on, but being able to imagine what other people are feeling, and therefore feeling that too (empathy) comes later
Also, everyone develops differently. Its possible that 3 year old did understand the situation, but its also possible they didn’t. Everyone develops different things at different rates and that’s OK.
Oh look, a calm, measured, reasonable comment on the internet.
I don’t think I felt empathy until my daughter was born. Now, there are episodes of Forensic Files I can’t watch anymore. It’s really annoying.
Having kids really tuned up my response to media involving kids. I just barely got through the first season of Broadchurch, and have no desire to watch any more.
I’m autistic. I didn’t actually understand empathy until 4th grade. As an adult, I have an overly responsive justice sensitivity. Neurodivergent people don’t just act different, they develop differently and will never fit into your boxes.
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