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White Christians spreading the love in Uganda: “God wants you to stone homosexuals to death”
Unfortunately Ugandans view lgbt stuff as neo colonialism. Most Africans are rather religious and traditional. If not Christian they are Muslims; both of which are none native to Africa and homophobic. Its hard to see how they will change their minds unless they come to the conclusion on their own.
Viewing accepting and supporting people that are different as (neo-)colonialism is just dumb. They deserve to be seen as equal and live a happy life there as much as anywhere else. Being African doesn’t excuse you for being an asshole.
Funny that you bring that up. Most of Africa and West Asia got colonized when Victorian England was at its prudest point. They "civilized“ the “savages” and taught them their Victorian moral values. This has a lasting influence until today. While you consider yourself civilized and educated and those others are the backwards ideas, in reality while your ancestors were living off their wealth they had the capacity to think about luxury like human rights (I’m sorry, it shouldn’t be a luxury, but it is), while the colonized were busy trying to survive.
while the colonized were busy trying to survive.
Still are unfortunately
I wonder if the West having this new wave of anti-queer reaction will short-circuit this cycle. Hard to claim we are agents of neocolonialism and imperialism when the US is attacking trans people and is on the cusp of rolling back gay marriage rights.
Maybe, but they view their religion as native, not foreign. And those have built in homophobia in the doctrine.
Doctrine and religion are always changing based on historical forces, so if the historical winds are blowing against “lgbt=colonialism” then this will have effects on religion and doctrine. The contradiction will need to be resolved somehow.
Contradiction with religious folk is often boiled down to “if I don’t believe the contradiction exists then it must not exist!”
Source: whenever anyone brings up contradictions in the Bible
I’m talking about contradictions that can arise between religion and politics.
If their religion says to be charitable to the poor, but their politics say to starve the poor, they’ll starve the poor. If their religion says to love their neighbor, but their politics tells them to hate their neighbor, they’ll hate their neighbor. When there’s a contradiction between religion and politics, they’ll choose politics and then work backwards from there to justify it religiously.
I get what your saying, but I’m adding that even independently of that they follow abrahamic religions and that is homophobic. On one hand there is a niew of neo colonialism and on the other you might be asking them to be more secular. Both are very steep and somewhat independent hills.
Abrahamic religion isn’t set in stone, it’s capable of reform and has even done so in other historical contexts. This doesn’t even require secularism, all it requires is that they read their books in a different way for different interpretations.
But secularism isn’t impossible. As the colonizers become less secular and more religious, the historical currents begin to push against religion among the colonized. Perhaps less so among Muslims because they can deflect the contradictions onto sectarianism against the Christian colonizers, but African Christians will have to reconcile the contradiction between their anti-colonialism and worshiping the god of religious colonizers.
Or they’ll convert to Islam. It’s hard to say.
But there are lots of ways this can play out.
Fair enough. Just that coming from a fundie place I think the cognitive backflips might hold. Tho I hope you’re right 🙂
That’d be… nice… but no. When it come to homophobia, people hate what they don’t understand and then come up with reasons to justify it, not the other way around.
Misanthropy tbh
Hate has a material basis, it’s not just something that emerges organically from human nature. The ruling class needs to maximize the reproduction of labor so it invented and promoted queer hate as a way to remove one of those obstacles. Its material basis is actually very similar to anti-abortion and anti-contraception and anti-feminist politics.
Alright, I’ll admit this is a plan for a story I’m writing to help define who the bad guys are:
They hate the neighboring country, and homosexuality. They use puritanical thinking to frame the latter as an evil invention of the former; “The men there are so fowl and heartless, they hate all forms of femininity, and prefer to bond with other demons like themselves. The women feel forced to find love with each other.”
I’m starting to get curious if any one particular country might feel offended at my story when I someday write it.
Doesn’t feel like a specific call out.
I want to live in a world where organized religion is no more 😔
Looks pretty disorganized to me as is.
10,000 denominations cannot be wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide#Religious_groupsIt is estimated that up to 50,000 Buddhist monks were massacred by the Khmer Rouge.[165][166]
😍 if only /s
Ah yes because there is no other possible way to combat organized religion then executions. /s
Well, going from having organized religion to removing it means things have to be done. with this kind of rhetoric, it’s violence.
So you think wanting to live in a world without disease means wanting to kill every sick person?
I’m posting historical record of what happens when people try to get rid of religion.
Do you have more than that or is it just rhetoric?
Well done not answering my question. :)
the answer is that no one has tried what you suggested, but what I said would happen has historically happened.
Then let’s try my thing.
You got the power to implement your thing?
Not existing does not equal murder
It’s not just the white Christians, it’s all of them.
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Christianity doesn’t teach bigotry.
Many sects do.
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“OH NO, NOT PEOPLE WHO AREN’T MY SKIN COLOR GAINING EQUAL RIGHTS AS ME!”
They’re afraid of being treated the same way they treat others
Which is very ironic.
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” (Matthew 25:40)
“When you’ve lived a life of privilege, equality feels like oppression”
Cosmo, Wanda, I wish Christian Extremists behaved as though they actually believed in God
You got it!
Solitude. Filth. Ugliness. Ash cans and unobtainable dollars. Children screamibg under stairways. Boys sobbing in armies. Old men weeping in the parks…
What good does it do if all Christians are in one place? Not very manifest destiny of you Jesus.
But when white Christians want refugees and immigrants conform to these values they are racist and bigot.
They can’t really do anything but lose with you, OP
