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Democrats Don’t Seem Willing to Follow Their Own Advice
Immediately following the 2024 presidential election, Democrats seemed to be in rare agreement: They had moved too far to the left on cultural issues, and it had cost them. The day after Kamala Harris lost to Donald Trump, for example, Representative Seth Moulton of Massachusetts told The New York Times, “I have two little girls, I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.” In that moment, the floodgates seemed poised to open. Moulton’s perspective, though taboo among much of the party’s activist base, placed him firmly in the American mainstream. Surely more Democrats would start coming out of the woodwork to advertise their moderate cultural views, and the idea of a radical Democratic Party would begin to fade away.
In fact, in the ensuing 10 months, the floodgates have mostly stayed closed. With a few exceptions—notably California Governor Gavin Newsom and, less notably, former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who hasn’t won an election since 2015—Democrats have avoided making comments similar to Moulton’s, whether regarding trans athletes or other high-profile social issues on which the party is vulnerable, such as immigration and climate.
This is a sign of a strange dynamic that has emerged in Democratic politics. Many pundits, strategists, and even elected officials recognize that the party has weakened itself by being out of touch, or at least perceived to be out of touch, on cultural issues. As Representative Ritchie Torres of New York told Time in May, “We swung the pendulum too far to the left.” But for the most part, the very same Democrats making that argument haven’t followed it to its natural conclusion by moving significantly rightward on any major issue. Even Torres’s big postelection immigration “flip-flop,” as Politico put it, was to announce that he would no longer fight against the deportation of undocumented immigrants who have a criminal record.
Countless Democrats are barnstorming the country and the media, stressing the need to broaden their party’s appeal and reach voters where they are. But they have yet to prove that they’re willing to do what it takes.
Seemingly every other week, another Democrat gives a podcast interview or writes an op-ed about how the party must win back the working-class voters it has alienated. “If you are setting a table that people with mud on their boots and grease on their jeans do not feel comfortable at,” Representative Kristen Rivet of Michigan told me in July, “you are walking away from the Democratic agenda.” But if you pay close attention to what these politicians say, you will struggle to find much evidence of them trying to stake out positions that might bring some of those blue-collar voters back into the fold.
The platonic ideal of political moderation works something like this: Pick a high-profile issue on which your party is perceived as out of touch with public opinion. Signal publicly that you agree with most voters on the issue, and that you disagree with the members of your own base who think otherwise. “You’ve got to go against your party,” Elaine Kamarck, a Brookings fellow who was a prominent centrist New Democrat during the 1990s, told me. Creating conflict demonstrates your independence and draws media attention, without which voters might never know about your position. The gambit is not without risk—you’re purposely angering some of your own supporters—but it hopefully pays off because you gain new supporters, and most of your angry existing supporters will still vote for you.
The canonical example was executed by Bill Clinton. In 1992, while running to become the first Democratic president in 12 years, he spoke to Jesse Jackson’s social-justice activist group, the Rainbow Coalition. The night before his speech, the group had hosted the rapper and activist Sister Souljah, who had recently caused a stir by saying, about the Rodney King riots, “If Black people kill Black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people?” Clinton used his own appearance to condemn Sister Souljah’s comments. His speech infuriated Jackson and many other left-wing activists, who felt that Clinton had taken her comments out of context. The back-and-forth became a major news story. Of course, this was the plan. “If nobody gets mad, you’re not doing anything courageous,”Kamarck, who worked in the Clinton White House, told me.
[Jonathan Chait: Moderation is not the same as surrender]
Trump is no moderate, but in 2016 and 2024, he used selective moderation to make inroads with swing voters who disapprove of certain unpopular Republican Party orthodoxies. In his first run for president, he committed to not cutting Social Security and Medicare, and he hammered his primary opponents for supporting the invasion of Iraq. In his 2024 run, he promised not to enact a national abortion ban. All three of these positions were broadly popular but offended core Republican constituencies—budget hawks, neoconservatives, and pro-lifers, respectively. They seem to have paid off.
The Democrats who complain most loudly about the need to fix the party’s brand aren’t trying anything this ambitious. Their efforts to appeal to moderates and conservatives tend to be uncontroversial, which might defeat the purpose. One recent Washington Post article compiled various recent “Sister Souljah moments” from Democratic politicians. It included, as a lead example, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro boasting that he’d legalized hunting on Sundays. No core constituency in the Democratic Party is outraged by the thought of hunting on Sundays, which is why you almost certainly heard nothing about Shapiro’s comment.
Newsom might be the most high-profile exception to the trend. In apparent preparation for a presidential run, the governor has taken public steps to shed his image as a doctrinaire California progressive. In March, he launched a podcast featuring conversations with conservatives. His very first guest was Charlie Kirk. During that episode, Newsom declared that allowing trans girls to compete in girls’ sports was “deeply unfair.” A few weeks later, he repeated the sentiment to Bill Maher. And in May, he proposed freezing enrollment of undocumented immigrants into California’s Medicaid program—a very modest break with the left that nonetheless angered immigration activists in the state. Newsom’s approach, along with his outspoken opposition to Trump, is raising his profile: In recent weeks, he has appeared at the top of some 2028 presidential-primary polls.
By and large, however, even the elected Democrats most insistent on the need for change seem focused on adjustments to the party’s communication style, rather than to its substantive positions. One school of thought holds that Democrats can woo cross-pressured voters without having to compromise on policy at all, as long as they switch up their vocabulary. Last month, the centrist group Third Way published a list of jargon that it would like Democrats to stop using. The list included the genuinely ubiquitous—privilege, existential threat, unhoused—along with more obscure academese, such as minoritized communities, chest feeding, and person who immigrated.
The memo hardly made a splash, because its point of view had already become conventional wisdom: fewer academic buzzwords, more folksy language. Be less “preachy,” as Pete Buttigieg put it in July. No more “advocacy-speak,” per Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear. Demonstrate your “alpha energy,” as Elissa Slotkin says frequently. Slotkin bragged in May to The Washington Post about a speech that she’d given to some Teamsters ahead of the election: “I just said, ‘Hey, you motherfuckers, I don’t want to hear another goddamn word about all Donald Trump has done for you.’ They love it.”
A related theory of rhetorical moderation is about emphasis, not word choice. Because Democrats are much closer to the median voter on bread-and-butter material issues than Republicans are, perhaps they just need to talk more about their popular economic ideas and less about their unpopular social-issue positions. Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut recently articulated a version of this argument to my colleague Gilad Edelman. “Climate, guns, choice, gay rights, voting rights: Every single one of those issues is existential for an important community,” he said. “But I think right now, if you aren’t driving the vast majority of your narrative around the way in which the economy is going to become corrupted to enrich the elites, then you aren’t going to be able to capture this potential realignment of the American electorate that’s up for grabs.” Representative Tom Suozzi of New York is a rare Democratic moderate on immigration. So I was surprised that, when I asked him whether his colleagues needed to change any of their cultural positions, he said, “No. We’ve got to focus more. We have to lay out clearly what the platform is, what the emphasis is.”
Both ideas—talk like a normal person, and shut up about social issues—have some merit. But because working-class voters already think Democratic politicians hold radical left-wing cultural views, tactical silence seems unlikely to dislodge that belief.
Why didn’t more Democrats follow Seth Moulton’s lead after the election? The answer might lie in what happened to him after his comments about trans athletes. In the weeks that followed, his campaign manager resigned, protesters swarmed his district office, and the chair of the local Democratic committee in Salem, Massachusetts (where Moulton was born and resides), referred to him in an email as a “Nazi cooperator.” The committee promised to find a primary challenger. Over the summer, the threat came true: Moulton will defend himself in a primary for the first time since 2020. (His opponent, Bethany Andres-Beck, is trans and uses “any/all pronouns.”)
Moulton told me that “fear of backlash” is what prevents Democrats from adjusting their publicly held cultural commitments. He estimates that more than half of his Democratic colleagues in the House, possibly many more, privately agree with him that girls’ sports should be limited to cisgender girls. After Moulton wrote a Washington Post op-ed warning against “Democratic purity tests,” he said, scores of colleagues approached him in the halls of Congress to thank him. But, he told me, they did so in a whisper. “Thank you for saying that, because I really can’t,” they’d say.
This silence is a result of the primary system. Because the overwhelming majority of elected Democrats at the federal level are in safe seats, they’re more likely to lose to a primary challenger from their left than to a Republican in the general. Everyone knows what must be done to improve the party’s image, but each individual actor’s incentive is to do nothing—or, if not do nothing, then settle for rhetorical adjustments without taking any controversial positions.
[Jon Favreau: The conversation Democrats need to have]
That strategy might be enough for Democrats to win the House next year. A recent New York Times analysis found that, even if Republicans succeed in their most ambitious gerrymandering plans, Democrats could expect to take the House back by winning the national vote by 3.4 points. In 2018, during Trump’s first term, they won by about seven (excluding uncontested races).
But the Senate is a far more difficult prospect for Democrats. To take back the upper chamber in 2026, Democrats must not only beat Susan Collins in Maine, but win five races in states that Trump won last year, including two that he carried by more than 10 percentage points. The idea that they can do so without fielding candidates who are willing to publicly renounce some left-wing orthodoxies is delusional. Nor is this a quirk of the 2026 cycle. By design, the Senate favors less-populous states, which today are disproportionately rural and white. Democrats might never control the Senate again if they don’t return to being competitive in such states. That would mean never stopping the confirmation of a Republican official or judge, and never being able to confirm their own without Republican votes.
Democratic recruiters could respond to that fact by looking for the kind of culturally conservative Senate candidates that rural voters used to approve of, but there’s little sign of that happening. In Maine, national Democrats have been trying to recruit 77-year-old Governor Janet Mills, most famous for refusing to go along with a Trump executive order to ban trans women from women’s sports. In North Carolina, Iowa, Ohio, Texas, Alaska, and Florida—of which Democrats must win at least three to take the Senate—the leading candidates mostly appear to have standard Democratic cultural views; two are Democrats who lost Senate races last year and haven’t publicly changed any of their positions on high-profile social issues since.
For Democrats to appeal to cultural conservatives, some of them probably have to actually be more culturally conservative than what the party has offered in recent years, and not just adopt a different affect or ignore social issues entirely. Or they could simply cross their fingers and hope voters spontaneously adopt new perceptions about the party. That strategy offends no one and incurs little risk. That’s why it’s unlikely to work.
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If the working class are bigots it’s only because the capitalist class enables the conditions for it to flourish and in most cases actively pushes bigotry.
I doubt a highly educated, healthy, happy working class would be concerned about trampling on the rights of minority groups.
There’s so many YouTube content creators and people in charge of tweaking the algorithm to serve up their shit who need to be thrown into a pit
It’s been like 15 years of “you watch one fascist video on youtube now that’s all it recommends you” and we’re surprised there’s so many fascists??
It’s not even that. It’s like: “Hey, you’re new to YouTube. Here’s some fascist content”
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26·2 months agoToo often I’ll be recommended fascist or adjacent shit on NewPipe. Sometimes on random videos where I wouldn’t exactly expect those recommendations too. If this is what the average person gets recommended…

YouTube shorts is especially bad with this. Once took a look at them after being logged out and was bombarded with anti-trans content about Dylan Mulvaney.
Democrats that actually embrace leftwing ideas (or pretend to do so) continually win seats and overperform against expectations, while every dem that just acts like a neocon eats shit
Dems: We actually need to all be rabid fascists, that will finally win over the portion of the population that calls us all godless commies
You can’t honestly convince me this party is trying to win anything more than additional funding from their rich benefactors.
Or possibly trying to win a chance to party switch once the Republicans start shipping their political enemies off to camps.
After Moulton wrote a Washington Post op-ed warning against “Democratic purity tests,” he said, scores of colleagues approached him in the halls of Congress to thank him. But, he told me, they did so in a whisper. “Thank you for saying that, because I really can’t,” they’d say.
So, they’re assholes and cowards, great

Yeah, what’s the message supposed to be here? That they don’t believe in the things their constituents want? That they don’t want to be beholden to their constituents? Well shit, great messaging. I’m on board now!
It’s. Her. Turn. Fuck you voters.

they are, but he’s probably just lying to launder his loathsome opinions
“Many people are saying” but in a way that’s acceptable to liberals.
I write software for a living. I hate this white collar/blue collar divide bullshit. We’re all workers, none of us own shit. I’ve got muddy boots and greasy clothes too.
They’re so wrapped up in stupid aesthetics because they can’t address material conditions without pissing off the money.
In Nazi Germany they’d be talking about sourcing better boot polish instead of protecting those under direct attack.
At a certain point you just have to assume that they don’t complain because they agree.
The party should adopt some kind of sigil or logo that signifies some kind of unity between more rural occupations and those associated with the population centers. I think even artists belong under the same umbrella if I’m honest
I think you’re on to something!
Maybe like a wrench and a rake?
A keyboard and a combine?
It feels on the tip of my tongue here…

best i can do
I love this so much it’s unreal

That dril tweet about turning the racism knob seems very apt right now
“Meet the democrats! We’re just like those republicans you know AND love! Vote for us!”
“Wait…why are they still voting republican? Brand loyalty? What’s that?”
“If the Democrats want to win back voters they need to be more like Rahm Emanuel who hasn’t won a vote since 2015.”
“The current governor of Maine, who protected their trans athlete constituents, needs to stop doing that in order to win more elections.”
The Atlantic, home of “child killing can be legal”
Anything can be legal if you write a law for it!
and they don’t really care about what’s legal anyway, as evidenced by the total failure to care about existing US laws against exporting weapons to countries doing genocide
EDIT: I think the law I remember was Leahy Act and it’s something about if the weapons might be used to commit war crimes or something. then there are a few other laws where the Sec of State has to certify that they’re not being used for bad stuff and Blinken just lied about it
“If you are setting a table that people with mud on their boots and grease on their jeans do not feel comfortable at,” Representative Kristen Rivet of Michigan told me in July, “you are walking away from the Democratic agenda.”
Nothing wins over flyover country voters like calling them disgusting slobs that can’t get cleaned up for dinner.
In Maine, national Democrats have been trying to recruit 77-year-old Governor Janet Mills, most famous for refusing to go along with a Trump executive order to ban trans women from women’s sports.
This sentence is the most telling to me; there is an actual candidate in that primary who’s got the authentic, organic appeal Novicoff says Democrats need, is centering working class economics like Novicoff says democrats need to do, and is even doing the “I dun did served in the military” schtick neoliberals love. Yet no mention of the dude in the article. This is where the contradiction is, they want candidates that appeal in these red/swing states and districts but don’t want them to come up organically within those communities, they need to appointed by the DC star chamber.
The demoncrats need to stand for something fuckin ANYTHING so that the opposition cant just smear them as pedophile cannibals or whatever. But sure they could also just keep chasing that “republican lite” position. They’re paid to lose after all.
Yeah. This article is bullshit. How can the demoncrats be too far left? They’d need policies or beliefs in order to map them on a spectrum.
This silence is a result of the primary system. Because the overwhelming majority of elected Democrats at the federal level are in safe seats, they’re more likely to lose to a primary challenger from their left than to a Republican in the general. Everyone knows what must be done to improve the party’s image, but each individual actor’s incentive is to do nothing—or, if not do nothing, then settle for rhetorical adjustments without taking any controversial positions.
This is such ridiculous doublespeak, this paragraph directly contradicts the whole rest of it. You’re arguing that people need to adopt more controversial right-wing opinions “in order to win elections,” but the reason that they won’t do so is because, according to you, they’d lose elections.
What’s really going on is that the writer supports conservative positions but is using the excuse of “sorry, we have to do this to win elections” even when it’s a liability rather than an asset. They want people to move right because they themselves are right-wing, they just can’t up and say it.
God, I hate The Atlantic so much. Everything they say is the most
shit.There’s something just so much more disgusting about this kind of liberal “I’m going to use rhetoric and fancy lawyer speak to justify being a shitty person” thing, it’s just so foul, I’ve met plenty of shitty people with the classic CHUD “fuck you, I do what I want” toddler attitude, but all the worst people I’ve ever met have always had this slimy “I’m going to justify being horrible and insinuate that it is people who behave decently that are the real amoral people though complex bullshit and doublespeak.”
I think it’s because they’re paid to do that.
American Electoralism: Where all the candidates are meant to compete for the votes of the highly prized neo-fascist suburbanite demographic, and ignore everyone else.
I fucking hate sports
Of fucking course the Atlantic article opens up with how democrats should be more transphobic
The Democratic party has been running on Identity Politics and Wallstreet, so now the big debate in Democratic Party elite circles is to ditch Identity Politics but keep Wallstreet. The only big difference between Dems and Reps was Identity Politics, so now what’s the big difference?
Clinton won because of Ross Perot, not because of his magical Republican lite politics























