i’ve seen this phrase used around here in a few variations and it rarely gets called out as problematic. i really don’t think its ok so i thought i’d ask: does hexbear think its ok? i can understand and support the use of violence against fascists and colonizers, but genocide is really their thing. i don’t see why it makes sense to use it even as a rhetorical device. why doesn’t this get called out? is genocide so normalized in casual conversation that it doesn’t register or what?
edit: i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don’t like it or get it, but i’ve had my fill of arguing with y’all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i’ll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.
now that everyone has had a chance to chime in, i’m just going to add some context for y’all
most of the responses i got at first were from [he/him]s which is why i said the above. nothing against any gender, just what i saw.it wasn’t my intention to misgender anyone sorry if it came across that way. i really meant it as an observation of who was jumping in to reply at the start of the thread, but i didn’t realize how it could be perceived in other contexts.- i’m not american. i’m technically a US citizen, but i have much more significant cultural ties to SV, MX, and separately and to a lesser extent NA indigenous community. i don’t always get where western people are coming from. i like the overall tone of hexbear maybe i just don’t how imaginary genocide is supposed to be cathartic. i apologize if it came across like i’m trying to tone police y’all. that’s really not my jam, but y’all do seem a little pre-disposed to getting offended when your little jokes are questioned.
- i still don’t like the joke, so i’m going to remove them from my feed. if y’all don’t have an issue with it that’s fine. i was just trying to get a feel for what y’all think. the push back was a little upsetting after the day i had yesterday, but i’m over it now. i can live with curating my own experience based on my personal taste.
- i haven’t been that articulate, but i think my feelings are best summarized by this reply:
As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former
the original meme was about communist banter being unhinged and socially unacceptable.
I think it resonates with us because it’s relatable, we’ve all been the person holding their tongue at a family gathering. I also think it resonates as a reaction to the lopsided “colonizer deaths are a tragedy while colonized deaths are a footnote” tone-policing in western media (see Israel discourse). Also, a politics of violent revolution makes flippant humor inevitable, back in '73 people were joking about “spain’s first astronaut” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Carrero_Blanco
Spain’s first astronaut is a hilarious bit btw and noticeably does not include jokes about genocide.
It also speaks to the insidious nature of discourse in the West.
Incivility of language is considered deeply uncouth, but electing leaders who have promised to do horrific things is perfectly fine, as long as they express it in acceptable language.
Biden sending billions to Ukrainian skinheads, continuing to build a wall, increasing police funding, doing nothing about COVID, gutting the child tax credit etc is all perfectly fine because he was polite and well spoken about it. Can’t come out and say overtly you want Israel to turn Palestine into a graveyard, but aiming to help them achieve that is fine.
People by and large don’t get extremely obvious satire – they aren’t going to get any of that out of “unlimited genocide” jokes.
Sure, I agree; I’m just adding my metaphorical 2 cents to the original comment
Part of the reason I think it resonates is the deep seated hatred of ‘civil’ discourse, coupled with the frustrations of being politically neutered
thanks for explaining. i still don’t think i get the humor part, but its good to have some context.
It’s an inside joke. I’d never say it in public. That would make me look ridiculous.
edit: i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don’t like it or get it, but i’ve had my fill of arguing with y’all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i’ll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.
another poSSter down UNLIMTED GENOCIDE AGAINST THE LEMMY DOT FIRST WORLD
GLORY to the joint dictatorship of the posters of oppressed instances!! 
This is a good point. Like most boomers, my socdem Dad used to browse Hexbear as part of his morning routine. Unfortunately he came upon a post using the offending phrase and now just posts ‘so much for the tolerant left’ under any article about Joe Biden on the Washington Post’s website. Y’all need to reflect on this. If not for the sake of this website, but for the democrats reelection chances in 2024
I can see being critical of it for site culture, but this somehow tying to the election of Democrats???
They’re joking
Oop
yesEDIT: Another session struggled, unlimited reeducation on the imperial core
edit: i have all the [he/him]s on the website telling me that this is actually a very funny joke. i still don’t like it or get it, but i’ve had my fill of arguing with y’all so thanks for the info. i can see why nobody calls this one out. it kinda fucking sucks. i’ll just go ahead and block people who post this type of joke and go on my merry way.
Asks a bunch of questions about a joke in askchapo
Gets mad at the people who respond
Adds an extremely mad edit
Includes a sideswipe at “he/hims” for some reason
Folks this person is clearly an expert in alienating rhetoric, so we might want to listen up as regards
i genuinely don’t get how the joke is supposed to be funny, but i also had a rough day yesterday. i’ve updated my post again. sorry.
Appreciate that comrade
Yep. Being like “it’s only da evil mens who disagree with me” is soft misgendering of quite a few people.
please see my new edit. i didn’t mean to offend.
the original “thank you for not saying unlimited genocide on the first world at my parents house I know that took restraint” image is really fucking funny imo. It’s a great comic/meme/joke. it’s been referenced repeatedly until the joke isn’t a joke anymore and it’s not that funny anymore, but that happens to everything so it’s not a big deal imo. using the word genocide in that context is kind of surprising and excessive which is what makes the comic funny. but it has maybe became an unpleasant phrase that people use way too much. dunno how important anything said in hexbear really is tho lol
dunno how important anything said in hexbear really is tho lol
depends on who has the lathe on a given day
And now that the funeral has concluded,
WHOOO ANOTHER KKKRACKER DOWN
Who makes these? Where can I find them? Seems to be largely a single person’s work?
“From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free” and “Free Palestine” are being called genocidal statements. There’s no point moderating our speech against the global north. As long as the global north maintains a stranglehold on global media and culture, anything we say that is adverse to their interests will be called genocidal.
It’s obviously not a good thing to say; it’s the leftist version of fascists joking about helicopter rides or the day of the rope. Any normal person who hears it will write you off instantly. Genocide should be a red line for any leftist. “Oh it’s a joke” – not to people who don’t have your specific vintage of internet brain poisoning. “I’m not saying it to normal people” – you’re posting it on a public forum.
This should be an easy one, but we’re often contrarian to the point where we can’t self-crit.
No.
It stinks of edgelord shit.
THANK YOU
As someone that does find the joke funny, upon some reflection i have realised that it is an inapropiate joke, genocide is a horrific thing and to make light of it by making it a subject of a joke is in bad taste the same way that jokes about sexual assault are in bad taste, we rightfuly look down on redditors for the latter but allow the former
Yeah as someone who found it funny and has read through this thread, I agree here actually.
Genocide is different from taking your yacht apart to build a school.
Do you condemn the genocide of whites in Haiti or the ethnic cleansing of Germans from Eastern Europe? Just curious.
Acting like ‘revolution = genocide’ is the core of “white genocide” arguments.
No, I don’t, but I still think making jokes about genocide isn’t ok.
White genocide is an obvious farce no matter how much you try to gotcha, but when there is an active genocide happening I think it’s acceptable to consider using it as a joke to be a bit pastiche
Nobody I know IRL talks the way people on hexbear talk and most people IRL here have at least 1 relative kidnappedand tortured by an US backed dictatorship. To me its just edgy shitposting.
I’ve never liked it, even as a meme. Remember, the First World is also a panopticon prison for the poor and minorities.
¡Not all Global Norteños!
To me it’s about the Global North States, not the people, and especially not the proletariat. Maybe the capitalists get a little genocide, as a treat.
killing the capitalists (the ruling class) doesn’t meet the criteria for genocide, that would be a coup. which is totally fine and doesn’t require regurgitating fascist concepts. these toys are still available to do to quench your bloodlust
‘Coup the first world’ has a much cleaner ring to it.
Unlimited regicide on the first world
Unlimited regime change on the first world
Unlimited coups d’etat on the first world
I kind of agree with you actually, trying to choose different words opens the door for more creative ways to describe beheading the leviathan.
Oh shit I really like the regicide one. This post feels like concern trolling and the OP clearly wants to pretend this is a male thing, but it opens the door for a discussion that’s maybe worth having
check my edit.
So don’t use the word genocide, it’s that simple
big agree from me. i have a hard time understanding how this type of humor is acceptable on a leftist board. it gives big alt-right/channer vibes imo
I have a hard time understanding how this type of defense of the laughable concept of “”“”“white genocide”“”“” is acceptable on a leftist board. it gives big alt-right/channer vibes imo
you really need this huh? you’re shitting yourself because you can’t have this treat. indulge in a little genocide fantasy, its fine. its an impossible concept anyway, nobody could ever question it.
joking about genocide in general makes me uncomfortable and i wanted to know if hexbear was ok with it. clearly y’all are really into it. cool. thanks for making that crystal fucking clear.
Yeah this thread is a shitshow and Hexbear is really showing its ass right now
Hexbears showing a low tolerance for liberal bad faith puritanical scolding is us “showing our ass” really? Give me a fuckin break
I actually love the Slammer edits most of the time
I just think that “unlimited genocide” is taking it too far. I’m not the only one on the site that feels this way.
Genocide jokes.
Throwing Nazis in the pit jokes.Genocide is of an ethnicity/nation/racial group of people’s, and it’s not okay to hurt people for the who they are or where they were born. Now people’s choices that they make in sound mind is something that can be judged, harshly if their choice is to do something particularly heinous. For example, Nazis choose to hurt people because of traits that they cannot change; whereas the Nazi can change his ideals and choose to not hurt people. Therefore, throwing Nazis in the pit as they say you’re the real Nazi is funny af.
Im with you. Never been a fan of that joke. Dont like edgy killing based humor in general.
