• EstraDoll [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    44·
    6 months ago

    remembering the time where Marsha P. Johnson went to the streets of the polling place of New York City and threw bricks ballots at police officers ballot boxes

  • Rooskie91@discuss.onlineEnglish
    18·
    6 months ago

    Lol history doesn’t advance because of 1 simple trick. Violent civil unrest, peaceful protests, electorialism, revolutionary action… They’ve all played their part and claiming that one is solely responsible inspires infighting amongst a crowd that should be united under a common cause.

    • nohaybanda [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      38·
      6 months ago

      I want to call on my comrades to read critically and not just dunk reflexively. This is a meme so of course it’s simplified, but the Rooskie makes a good point that a key part is missing here.

      Violent unrest is not by itself revolutionary violence. Without an organised vanguard, with an ideologically coherent political agenda, and enjoying the support of a class conscious activated base, violence is mere adventurism.

      And while many here will react at the inclusion of electoralism in the list above, I urge you to be precise in your thinking and analysis. We rightly make fun of liberal electoralism around here, it is not the only kind possible. The imperialist powers have (and still do) relentlessly propagated the lie that communism is antithetical to democratic rule and decisions are taken by autocratic diktat. That has never been the case and we should not concede that bigger point so we can score a point dunking on a stranger.

    • Sphere [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      28·
      6 months ago

      Lmao

      Edit: On reflection I have to agree with comrade @nohaybanda@hexbear.net. That said, this is really not the place to take a stand on behalf of electoralism, and honestly I question whether the current US version of same is worth even as much as the pile of shit my dog crapped out this morning.

      • Rooskie91@discuss.onlineEnglish
        6·
        6 months ago

        claiming that one is solely responsible inspires infighting amongst a crowd that should be united under a common cause.

        • rio [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          18·
          6 months ago

          If electoralism wants to be part of the gang then maybe it should do something useful. It’s not “divisive” to point out that it’s trying to take credit for things it didn’t contribute to.

          MLK pointed it out. The “moderate” is more dangerous than an open white supremacist because at least the white supremacist is being honest with you. It’s good to divide from those who don’t contribute and who inevitably stab you in the back.

          For real, tell me electoralisms greatest achievement. I don’t need a list, give me one thing.

              • nohaybanda [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                4·
                6 months ago

                I’ve linked an example above. Are you already familiar with the concept but disagree with my thesis that this is a form of electoral politics? If I proposed that Soviet council power was a form of electoral politics (as opposed to direct democracy or autocratic rule), would you disagree or expand on that?

                Or are you doubling down on you in initial knee jerk reaction and refusing to engage critically and seriously? The first step of a good faith attempt to engage with ideas is to ask for clarification.

                • Sphere [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  6·
                  6 months ago

                  Rio is asking for a specific accomplishment; you’re pointing out systems of government. As such, it looks like the two of you are talking past one another at the moment.

                • rio [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  3·
                  6 months ago

                  I asked a direct question: what is an achievement in terms of civil rights or social progress.

                  What’s more that was obviously in the context of western liberal democracy anyway.

                  You point to a system in China that hasn’t really achieved any system change either and then go on to say some rant about me having a knee jerk reaction.

                  All that after saying I’m arguing in bad faith.

                  Go fuck yourself or give me an example of system change, preferably one in the context of western liberal democracy since that’s clearly the relevant context but if you can’t do that I’ll also take an example from China because I’m not a bad faith douche bag and I’ll let you move the goal posts if that helps you.