And we shouldn’t allow this concept to go unchallenged here on Lemmy.
Commenting on an active post is not brigading
Posting a link to something is not brigading
Commenting on something you were linked to is not brigading
The only thing that might be brigading, but isn’t because it isn’t a real thing, is someone explicitly going, “Hey everyone, go here and harass this person”
It’s all fine and good that we have some new rules to keep the peace with other instances but we must fight against 
This post sounds an awful lot like brigading to me!
Damn you seeing all these hexbear brigading hexbear? I think hexbear should defed from hexbear for hexbears sake.
I fuck around:
I find out:
Reddit doesn’t have issues with brigading anymore, because brigading is when you post on r/ChapoTrapHouse and also post on other subreddits.
I suppose it follows that Lemmy brigading is when you post on Hexagonal Bear dot Net and also post on other lemmy instances.
when you post on r/ChapoTrapHouse
Have you been around long enough to remember the obsession with ShitRedditSays?
SRS was so powerful for it’s size. Rent free in the heads of every Redditor to this day
And now the mod of /c/196 is shitting all over Carcosa, just rubbing shit all over Carcosa and our collective faces. This is what happens when you try to pander to bad faith liberals. Why must we collectively give rimjobs to these fucking losers?
😞
Yeah, that shit sucked. Bummed me out.
I agree. It’ll suck if the two instances with the largest trans communities on lemmy defederate, but there seems to be irreconcilable political differences here that will make continued federation impossible.
From what I see, most users on blahaj, especially the 196 community specifically, have swallowed the state department party line hook, line, and sinker. If you literally believe in all of the CIA atrocity propaganda, then you also believe “tankies” are fascists pretending to be leftists. This disagreement is fundamental, and it can not be fixed by any degree of increased civility or politeness.
And from the looks of their discussion thread on continued federation with Hexbear, it’s their admin more than anyone else delaying the inevitable defederation, their users are mostly cheering to cut us off. They’ve given us one week to see how it goes, but I don’t feel confident things will change.
When they do end up defederating, I hope the new c/the_dunk_tank rules can be repealed because it seems they’ve been put in place nearly entirely to appease blahaj.
Its the June 4th Tiannemen thing that gets me. The 1932 famine is complicated. There’s plenty of room to just say "look all these reputable historians say terror famine! You can just ignore the tankie historians who say it was complicated. But there’s nothing complicated about June 4th. What they think happen didn’t happen, it’s widely agreed that it didn’t happen. I don’t even know who is still spreadying this bullshit.
I don’t even know who is still spreadying this bullshit.
Every neoliberal thinktank and media outlet. What the historical record says is irrelevant in that context.
What the historical record says is irrelevant in that context.
I’m getting high school level understanding of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact thrown at me as an example of fascist/communist sympathy/equivalence.
Yeah, I personally haven’t seen that gem specifically from blahaj, but they say shit that stupid and worse. It’s like they get their views from those shitty revisionist history youtube channels following the Hardcore History wave.
God I hate that bullshit. History starts when the commies do something they don’t like, and then stops immediately after, and then blips back in to existence the second commies do something they don’t like again. Everything happens in perfect isolation with the only connecting thread being the involvement of some kind of communistish government.
To me, it’s no longer just ideology but how their administrative team is completely slimey. Why would the admin bother to have this sham poll when it’s really obvious a supermajority of people would instantly vote to defed from us? It goes back to my comment about people acting in bad faith. She already knows the userbase wants to defed from us and she probably wants to defed from us too, but she doesn’t want to own up to being the person to pull the plug of the great trans federation, so she’s going to have this sham poll, wait for the very predictable result, and say, “Sorry, I wanted the federation to work, but the userbase wants to defed and I place the needs of my userbase first,” in effect pushing responsibility away from herself. This is extremely transparent in what she’s trying to do, extremely obvious to people who weren’t born yesterday.
I like how they’re also preloading some arguements that if the vote is to stay federated, it’s hexbears voting with socks. Then the admin says they’ll adjust how the totals are counted until it seems legit to them.
If hexbear users are fired up enough to vote tamper, it’s going to be for defed, because they don’t particularly like blahaj.
Then the admin says they’ll adjust how the totals are counted until it seems legit to them.
Ah yes, my favorite liberal democracy move, adjusting the totals until it ‘makes sense’.
Great, now they get to portray us as 4chan Nazis or whatever they like after we’re gone uncontested.
Hexbear double genocide theory, exploding heads Nazis yelling slurs at you is the same as hexbear users calling you a liberal
I’m brigading your posts and mugging your FOUCAULTS from your PMs. Ya’ll still don’t think brigading is bad?
posting links is how the world wide web works
http is hypertext transport protocol
what is hypertext?
hypertext is text with hyperlinks to other hypertext.
Got a problem with hyperlinks? Well get off the world wide web and go be a magazine or some shit.
Or just say “Hey hexbear please don’t participate in this post” and we respect that request and don’t
no, why should we?
We shouldn’t, I’m just pointing out that when we have been asked not to participate, we haven’t.
uSe A nOn-PaRtiCiPaTiOn LiNk wHeN lInKiNg A tHrEaD fRoM aNoThEr SuBrEdDiTThey will cry out to me not to participate… and I will say… “No”
It seems to me that instance has a very evident and festering
problem, which is incredibly strange for what is supposed to be a pro-trans instance.They’re being tone policed down to
levels, but they’re still spreading the same hateful talking points that prevents the free expression that the admin team supposedly desires.This is my first time seeing it first hand but it’s so obvious and transparent that their liberal well intentioned inclusiveness has already backfired horrifically. When hexbear users confront these tone-adjusted fascists and question their hateful anti-left stance (something the mods and admin team should be doing but lack the spine) they cry and demand defed because their views absolutely can not stand up to any sort of serious analysis.
I will say I would not have seen this without federation. It genuinely makes me appreciate the amazing community thats been cultivated here because it’s not easy to challenge, and remove, a polite abuser standing next to you.
If anyone is communicating with their admin team, I think they should be told to wake up because it will only get worse before their community is co-opted and they’re the ones being “tolerated.” I am being constantly reminded of this https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g?t=677
The fact that calling it out plays in to the fascists hands is pretty depressing too.
Libs are just pissed about having their precious assumptions challenged and being outnumbered by people while it happens
Another part that adds to this notion is that libs generally only encounter crudeness from literal children or right wingers.
They think the real world politics is some West Wing-ian paradise of polite discussions and good faith arguments. Only MAGAs resort to ad hominem, ofc, Donald Trump is bad partly because of bad policies but mainly because he’s crude! Good Republicans are polite and also want what’s good for the country, they just disagree on methods!
This probably stems from anti-civil rights movements saying the blacks are impolite or crude when demanding basic human decency.
Also historically untrue, on at least one occasion, Abe Lincoln bullied an opponent to tears with ad hominem attacks.
Either way, they fully buy into the scam that politeness and taking the high road will win the day except the part where liberalism has been in decay for decades due to what basically amounts to stomping your feet at conservatives every time they slide into fascism.
And they keep doing it, Sisyphus with the rock, Charlie Brown with the ball, libs with politeness. Guess what? Not disrupting evil in any meaningful way means they get to continue to make things worse and get away with it.
on at least one occasion, Abe Lincoln bullied an opponent to tears with ad hominem attacks.
This might sound a little
but in highschool my history class had a facebook group for discussing the politics that came up from the readings and discussions for us to turn into essay bits and junk. We had a conservative weenie in there and while I was very far from being a raging communist or even a socialist the both of us got into it about healthcare laws and other bullshit which eventually just turned into me berating him for just straight up lying about the laws and policies, the fact that he read the entire obamacare law (LOL). Everyone fucking hated all of his shit I got so much praise from everyone in that group, including my future girlfriend. The only time debate was ever tangibly good for me.That brings back memories of how one of my poli-sci classes back in college usually ended up with me shouting down some reactionary while the professor just did nothing. And I was just a tepid sucdem who read Matt Taibi’s tripe back then too lmao.
This probably stems from anti-civil rights movements saying the blacks are impolite or crude when demanding basic human decency.
Likely, and even before that. Using clothes, language, hairstyles, accent, pronunciation to separate the “good” people from teh “bad” people goes back to forever. That’s a big part of how Hexbear even happened; Verbal vulgarity and insults and cruelty that was appropriate to the lies, deception, and normalization of horror coming from the Democrats. “We’re going to talk to you with the level of consideration and politeness you deserve, which is none you fucking monsters”.
Collective action is invalid, everyone must act as individual monads.
As someone who is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors, what’s the problem?
i press all i press active yep it’s brigading time
I think there’s probably a good argument for not going easy on liberalism, ever, because if the roles were reversed they would not give us any room to grow and they would not hesitate. I think there’s probably a fine line between showing no mercy and coming across as toxic and giving them an excuse to defederate so no idea what the right call is tbh
“We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.”
[Hexbear is one of the more active instances in the lemmyverse]
Our turn has finally come comrades!
no more half measures walter
no more half measured water
Just post a screenshot of the thread on top of your active feed next time someone accuses us of brigading
