I’d sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.
4chan op has a tenuous grasp of how time and pictures work.
I still don’t think he’s the same guy who shot the CEO, it’s clearly for me a different person in the photos…
However, at this point this changes nothing of what’s going to happen, anyone caught for this would be facing the same charges. Let’s hope the jury feels as we all do and lets him walk
Luigi is innocent. A witness across the street stated they didn’t hear gunshots at the time.
Eric’s head just did that.
They planned evidence because they used illegal means to identify him
That would be a terrible idea. If they identified him using illegal means, any evidence found as a result would be inadmissible. It’s fruit of the poisoned tree.
It doesn’t matter. One of the world’s rulers was gunned down so they are bringing the book down on him. Anything goes.
Still more plausible than the cops saying “well fuck it he’s gone” and finding a lookalike to take the fall like a day after the shooting.
What does everyone think they do with all their biometric and Face ID data? Throw a shitty algorithm against this data cross referencing a pic from a grainy security feed and in this post truth era, 100% of crimes are now solvable.
I was suspicious at first too, but now as weird as the whole scenario looks my skepticism has weakened (e.g. people say he’s been missing from work during the shooting, the unibrow may have been simply visually deformed by the shitty camera, etc.).
But you know what, I think it’s better to stop trying to be smarter than what is reasonably possible, and at the very least wait and see what he and his lawyer will have to say in the court. E.g. if the evidence was fabricated, they will certainly try to argue that. Not everything about the story will clear up, but some things can, and I say it’s better to wait it out with a bit of patience.
Besides, what if it really wasn’t Luigi and we’ve all been duped? How will the fanboys and fangirls lusting after him feel? What will the smart businessmen do with their leftover Saint Luigi candles?
I have said it once and I will say it again: I am genuinely shocked at just how many people, especially on Lemmy, are just accepting that Luigi is the real shooter. I haven’t believed it for one minute and the only thing that will make me believe it is audio proof of Luigi confessing while not under duress.
Why would you think the feds want the wrong guy? Because what they want the actual killer to be roaming free.
What happens if the real killer does another hit in a few weeks? The Feds just be like erm nah this is a copycat we will get him too.
Occam’s razor.
Also this post is filled with misinformation itself. There are plenty of 3D printed gun demos on YouTube where the guns don’t explode.
Also as far as I’m aware it wasn’t a fully 3d printed gun, rather a 3d printed lower for a Glock. The lower doesn’t have to handle anywhere near the levels of pressure that the upper does, so is unlikely to break when firing.
You don’t seriously think that the feds are trying to keep America safe, do you? The feds and NYPD all need to have someone in jail so they can claim that they did a good job. They want to brag about how accomplished they are.
There is no duty to protect and serve. The police do not have to protect you, and they don’t on a regular basis. I know you might have heard that growing up, but it’s just not true.
If the “real” shooter hits again, that illusion SHATTERS. It’s a terrible play.
You’re shocked eh.
This attitude sounds very trumpy
All you know is what you heard in news reports. There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy, and we haven’t heard all the evidence
Installing security systems was part of my job, and sorry, but a lot of criminals are idiots. They just assume they’re going to get away with it. Or they figure they’re going to get caught
We had one where some fat guy tried to climb a gate but it broke so he went through it. Then he took his hoodie off as he was stealing a camera.
Had another where the guy ran a fake school as a scam. When they investigated him, they discovered he had all of the computers, but none of them were set up. But really, the suspicious part was the Ferrari he owned
Had another guy who was the world’s biggest asshole. He got busted for distributing drugs.
Then there is Trump who brags about his crimes and then pretends like he’s being set up
There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy…
No, yep, you’re right, absolutely zero incentive. Not like there’d be a bunch of rich and powerful CEOs breathing down their neck to catch the CEO killer or anything.
Of course there’s incentive to arrest the wrong guy, because there’s incentive to arrest anybody at all, to avoid looking incompetent. This is policing 101. Round up the usual suspects and if you don’t have any usual suspects, round up somebody.
Personally, it seems more likely to me that he never expected to get away with it for as long as he did, didn’t really have a plan beyond getting out of NYC, and went to that McDonald’s to get caught.
Maybe I’m wrong, that’s completely possible. But… I dunno… a lot of eyes are on this case. It would be very very dumb of the cops to manufacture a suspect with all the attention on this. Maybe they are that dumb…
Never underestimate how incompetent the American police are
More likely he had no real semblance of getting away with it and just happened to escape due to the incompetence of the NYPD.
People who typically go through these plans are not the most mentally stable, he was probably expecting to be caught so he wrote his manifesto beforehand and thought he’d try to see how far he could get.
Most of all, he probably did not expect the authorities fail to ID him, which is also why he made it for so long.
Even the Mcdonalds employee might have reported him for other reasons like loitering or general sketchiness and not because they thought he was the shooter.
Still I think it’s funny how he inadvertently proved the ease of crime with pretty basic rules. Any sort of organized crime, especially one off jobs could probably do it even more discretely and get away with it.
Except that manifesto sounds fake AF bootlicking cops in the first sentence? he more than likely dead man switched the one on pepmangione dot com slash manifesto
Have you read up on him at all? Luigi came from a wealthy heavily Republican family and was just starting to question right-wing ideology. Having respect for the feds is absolutely in line with the person described in this article.
You sound like a 9/11 crackpot.
You mean the people who believe the official conspiracy story, sold to us by the Cheney gang? You know, the one that literally defies the laws of physics?
The news interviewed the employee, and apparently he wasn’t aware that was actually the real luigi right there. He was trying to waste the police’s time on a lookalike
First thing in the manifesto “yeah the cops are still really cool and I like them”
Important to note: 3D PRINTED FIREARMS DO NOT BREAK WITH A FEW USES
Firsthand knowledge.
200-250 rounds and still going strong, inspected before and after firing every time
No damage so far.
Beyond that point, I agree with everything posted.
I was coming here to say this, I have an (unfinished) semi-auto 9mm carbine and its only part from a real gun is a barrel from a Glock because I didn’t feel like making my own XD
Yeah, the early 3D printed guns were garbage, but modern ones are much more durable. Changes in design have allowed for the use of off-the-shelf parts for the most important moving pieces, which means you have the durability of those off-the-shelf parts instead. The 3D print is basically just holding the machined parts together.
it’s not like homemade guns are a new thing, it’s just that now we can make them not look like pipe guns from fallout 4
Yeah but people don’t consider printing a handle to be a “3d printed gun” unless you’re trying to ban their existence entirely.
Yeah 3d printed gun is such a misnomer for most of the “ghost guns”, the gun he had was just the printed frame. That section of the 3d printing community isn’t really my scene but that seems to be what I’ve seen for all the printed guns, lower/frame with barrel and trigger assembly being metal pieces. I think years ago I saw a modern reinterpreting of the WW2 Liberator that was done in all plastic but that’s obviously designed to shoot only once.
I’m sure you know more about the scene than I do and can correct or verify my knowledge.
To add on to what you said, only the lower recievers for most guns have to be registered. Someone could hypothetically get every other upper part for a pistol or rifle delivered directly to their door or PO box with no questions asked, and then just hypothetically 3d print the lower reciever.
The ones I have use 3d printed frames, the fire control group and barrels are metal with 3d printed pieces for making the rifling.
All the parts that take repeated heavy abuse are reinforced with extra thickness or different infil, but by weight I’d say it’s about 50/50 metal/plastic.
The 3d printed lowers are quite basic, and since they aren’t designed to take a ton of stress anyway, it’s not really hard to find a decent design.
All my parts are printed in pla+, and I do minimal work afterwards to make things perfect, only what is necessary for the mechanical parts to cycle properly.
I actually haven’t been keeping up the last few years, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are even better methods than the ones I’ve used.
I think that highly depends on your knowledge about 3D printing an what materials you use.
Most 3d printed guns are constructed very similarly to “real” commercially available (in burgerland) guns that use a polymer construction. The plastic is taking very little of the force, they use metal inserts and rails that the mechanical parts connect to. This distributes the load a lot. I haven’t printed any yet, mostly because you basically need to buy a whole gun to build one, but they aren’t magic or anything and you could do the same thing with woodworking tools by hand if you had a lot of patience.
Ah, that makes sense.
The most reliable one I have uses an AR style fire control group, and large metal pieces for the bolt, and pre-hardened hydraulic tubing for the barrel.
There’s plenty of metal in it, all held together via 3d printed parts and frame
The only things I needed to buy that I would consider “from a firearm” or “from a gun store” would be the fire control group. Everything else was bought from McMaster Carr or local hardware stores.
Spot on with the woodworking. I’ve made a couple stocks for my grandfather’s old broken long rifles. It’s just more time consuming. (also my 3d printer isn’t that long)
I was mostly thinking of the handgun builds I’ve seen with hand made slide rails but the rest is just a Glock(or whatever else base gun) parts kit for everything else.
That’s awesome and also kind of scary.
There’s a whole community for it! There’s a YouTube channel called “Print, Shoot, Repeat” that actually talks about the gun police showed
What if I told you about “80% receivers” and parts kits that have been in use for decades by hobbyists?
- Individuals who make their own firearms may use a 3D printing process or any other process, as long as the firearm is “detectable” as defined in the Gun Control Act. You do not have to add a serial number or register the [privately made firearm] if you are not engaged in the business of making firearms for livelihood or profit.
“80% receivers” are a weird line in the sand to pick between “random hunk of metal/plastic” and “yeah that’s a gun bro” but words have meaning that (still) have to be defined in law, and you can build a 100%* factory looking gun with zero 3D printed parts and no serial number.
*Depends on your skill with tools and machinery ofc, but can be done with a hand drill and a basic file with enough patience
Based O’Brien would engineer a thousand-round 3D printed gun while the federation’s ATF just weeps in a corner
500 cigarettes
Gun nut
His name was Robert Paulson
I… Do not know what this means
Usual reminder that everything pigs say is false until proven otherwise
A minor correction, 3D printed guns are fairly reliable nowadays when made in a way such that all pressure bearing parts are made with metal/factory made regular parts
Yeah was gonna comment this. There are totally functional 9mm machine pistols with everything made from printed and standard hardware store parts.
some rifles too, saw a YouTube video of one and it was pretty cool.
Yeah chiming in here to agree, 3D printed guns are now nearly identical in performance to other polymer based guns (like Glocks for instance).
they don’t degrade after being fired?
All guns degrade after being fired, but modern production firearms are just plastic wrapped around metal tubes. 3D printed guns have always worked on the same principle but it takes time to develop them to the same safety standards.
Not if they’re made correctly, with good materials like nylon-cf, correct print settings, and good post processing. It’s a process that takes a day or two and requires a small amount knowledge and skill.
A handgun made like that will function for thousands of rounds.
thanks, I had no idea.
I think it was also clarified that the gun was a Glock with 3d printed lower, which is basically a normal Glock with different plastic.
sauce? i’m seeing that he just got a purely-
ghost(edit: homemade) gunThat functionally is a ghost gun in the US because only the lower is registered. Everything else is off the shelf, theoretically untraceable bits.
yes, and i’m saying that all the sources I see say it was completely homemade
Oh, rog! I misread that. I’ve seen a bunch of mixed BS, so hard to say.
The lower / reciever / frame is the part of a semi auto handgun that has the serial number, as this is the part that is legally considered ‘the firearm’.
If you 3d print the lower, you can just buy every other part, often without a background check, in many instances without any ID at all, and assemble the gun around your 3d printed lower.
What makes something a ghost gun is that it does not have a serial number that can be tied back to a purchaser, who would have had to be ID’d / NICS checked or w/e.
What makes it a ghost gun is not that it is entirely made of plastic that wouldn’t show up on a xray or something, its that it is untraceable to a point of origin if you have the gun and nothing else to go on.
The other way people do this is by destroying the etched in serial number.
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I haven’t actually heard it confirmed that Luigi only had 3d printed the lower, though for a normal person, that would probably be the easiest way to assemble a ghost gun.
But, he’s an engineering graduate.
Its possible he did ‘3d print’ many other components by using metal machining tools.
as i’ve said elsewhere, i meant purely homemade, not ghost.
and you don’t even need to be an engineering graduate to homemake the metal parts of a gun
Well, you said ghost gun.
A homemade gun can be, but is not necessarily a ghost gun.
You can purchase a serial stamped, legal, traceable lower reciever/frame, and then purchase all the rest of the components of a gun, and assemble the whole gun yourself.
This is fairly common amongst experienced gun enthusiasts who prefer specific brands or designs for various parts, and like to do their own custom builds.
The result is a totally legal, non ghost, homemade gun.
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Long Explanation of all the metal FGC9 parts an average person cannot make at home, period, or metal parts you can make at home but would need to have a CNC machine and significant machine shop experience.
The FGC 9 that you linked an article about… yes, it does feature more 3d printed parts which are typically made of metal… but it still requires you to buy many various metal parts.
https://www.hickoryhillarms.com/post/building-the-fgc-9
So even with this thing, here’s all the parts that are not 3d printed plastic, that you would be very difficult even for an engineering graduate to create on their own unless they had access to their own industial machining tool manufactory:
Fire Control / Trigger Mechanism; Springs Disconnector Pin
Hammer Hammer Spring
Grip Screw Grip Screw Lock Washer
Feed Ramp Screw
Mag Catch Spring
Primary Buffer Spring Secondary Buffer Spring
Brace Screw
Ejector Screw
Alan Key / Wrench
Firing Pin Retaining Screw Firing Pin Retaining Screw Nut
Reciever Screw
Firing Pin Firing Pin Screw
… Phew. Ok, so, sure these parts are not that difficult to purchase, why bother listing them all?
Because you said you don’t need to be an engineering graduate to make the metal parts of a gun.
That’s not true for all the above parts.
You’d need to have an entire manufactory to make these things out of the material required, at the quality required.
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The following parts actually could be CNC’d by someone with moderate experience with a CNC machine, and a CNC machine at home, but they’re not made of 3d printed plastic:
Bolt
Barrel (Non Threaded, thus significantly innacurate at range)
Now, if you are even more experienced with machining, you may be able to produce a threaded barrel…
… But at that point we are talking about an experienced machinist with pretty uncommon equipment, which itself can be traced.
Either way, you can’t make the bolt or barrel out of plastic for the FGC 9, and while yes, a novice machinist could learn how to machine one at home, the vast majority of people who build FGC 9s purchase the bolt and barrel from someone who runs a small, often psuedo legal business of making them.
You just 3d print the lower reciever, most modern handguns use injection molded plastic for this part, and a good 3d printer (and operator) can get a pretty decent result.
But its not just the ‘pressure bearing’ parts that cannot easily be 3d printed.
Almost everything else still has to be either purchased or very, very carefully assembled by hand with skill and machining tools.
Here’s a Glock 40:
Its basically a pretty bad idea (impossible with springs) to try to replace any of the metal parts with 3d printed plastic, many more parts than the barrel and slide are made of metal, and many of those parts could easily fail, even after mag worth of ammo or less, and completely brick the weapon.
People who make or sell 3d printed weapons still have to include a parts kit (or shopping list) with the stuff you can’t 3d print… with the exception of weapons that fire basically .22 or smaller cartidges, and those ones that actually are all 3d printed plastic are not going to survive very many shots.
to be clear on the “3d printed guns explode after 3 shots” thing.
It depends. If it’s 100% 3d printed parts, including bolt/slide and barrel, then yah, a few shots is the most you’d get out of it.
But most “3d printed guns” are using off the shelf barrels and bolts/slides, parts that are usually not registered and tracked. The parts that are register and tracked are usually the parts that hold trigger assemblies and grips, things that can be made of plastic since they’re not directly handling the stress of firing.
So the fact that the gun (the suspect was arrested with) is intact doesn’t mean it was never used. It also doesn’t mean it was definitely the gun used.
The situation still seems weird, but, we’ll see what the different parties have to say on the matter when they go to trial.
Don’t forget his confession said how much he respects the feds and the hard work they do
“I love the taste of glowie boot and will fellate some leather to completion when you come knocking, but first, crimes”
glowie
I sure didn’t expect to see schizophrenic racist lingo on 196…
Racist?
Check the link in my comment. Or see the video that’s the source of the term - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbG6u86t4bA
Glow in the dark, Glowie, Glows, Glowfag, Glownigger:
The term was coined by Terry A. Davis, a computer programmer diagnosed with schizophrenia, who allegedly believed that the CIA was stalking and harassing him. “Glowie” is often used in online forums to refer to government agents, especially undercover operatives who infiltrate online extremist spaces.
“Glow in the dark” and its derivative terms have been used to refer to various groups: newcomers that do not fit in with the culture of certain forums and are thus suspected to have bad intentions, journalists who report on extremist groups, tech companies that collect users’ personal data, and others.[1][5][6][7]
I looked at the explanation there, which mentions shizophrenia and IT origins.
I see now that the list of words contains racist etc. variations, which I’m guessing is what you are referring to?Personally I have seen glowie used in “shizophrenic” places worrying about privacy and government surveillance and the likes, but I have never seen the questionable variations nor seen any racist people or content in combination with “glowie”.
Is this a guilt by association thing? Where the inventor of the word was racist and used it in racist variations so the base word itself is taboo somehow?
It’s safe to say that the vast majority of people using the term know about its origin, and it’s not mere association, but literal origin (see the video above), and also the original form “glownigger” is still widely used (it’s bizarre that it’s on the end of the list on Wikipedia, in fact, after some forms that are probably barely used). Otherwise “glowie” doesn’t make much sense at all, doesn’t it? It’s a softened version pto avoid the overt racism, but it still gives a wink to it.
safe to say
That’s why I’m asking, I have not seen that usage, and prior to this I was not aware of any problems with the term.
literal origin
I don’t really care how a word was created, I care how it is used and percieved. Words can fall into and out of bad association, and massive raging assholes can coin words without problematic meaning.
Otherwise “glowie” doesn’t make much sense at all, doesn’t it?
I don’t see a problem with it, I thought it was a great short word to describe a specific problem (surveillance) with a specific vibe (shizophrenia).
There are plenty of words of similar shape, like buddy or goalie, sometimes abbreviations sometimes created like that. Never felt glowie was missing anything, if you asked me to come up with a term for “someone who glows in the dark” I may have arrived at the same word.the original form “glownigger” is still widely used (it’s bizarre that it’s on the end of the list on Wikipedia, in fact, after some forms that are probably barely used).
This is probably what it comes down to. Clearly we must frequent different places, so where did you see that and what makes you think this association extends into the wider world?
And then also how is it bridged to glowie? I have seen the old r/waterniggers and that hasn’t affected the words hydrohomie, water, and water utility worker to my knowledge.
Which was 3 pages long and 2 paragraphs…
what else are you gonna scrawl hastily? luigi was just a regular upperclassman but with actual gall. opportunity doesn’t wait for you to compose a manifesto
potential explanations:
it’s him and he genuinely wasn’t running (as his confession suggests), whilst also being chased by the police surveillance state, so even if he was running it would take meticulous planning to truly avoid the cops.
it’s him and he planned to get caught and the confession, the inconsistencies etc. are intended to make prosecuting him “without a doubt” incredibly difficult. You can bet money on his lawyer knowing a lot of these inconsistencies too, and exploiting them in court.
it’s him but he’s trying to obscure his motives etc. for [reason]. (unlikely)
it isn’t him but a lookalike who’s being framed for it because of [conspiracy theory]. (unlikely)
it isn’t him but a lookalike who framed themselves for [reason]. (unlikely)
it isn’t him but a lookalike who’s being framed for it because of [conspiracy theory]. (unlikely)
Because the cops can’t find the real killer but they have to present someone. Saying “we can’t find him” is not an option for them right now. They must present a killer to maintain image. If a killer is not presented then this shot will be heard round the world as the starting gun for a class war. There is no situation in which NCPD will be allowed to not present a killer for swift justice.
Therefore, if they really actually can’t find the guy because he covered his tracks well… Well, they received an anonymous tip from a McDonald’s about a guy that kind of looks like their guy. Better go bag him so they’ve got something to show for this big manhunt that can appease the overlords.
The reaction of Luigi himself so far is the only thing that gives me pause about this, because he doesn’t really seem to be denying any of it was him. But I also don’t think he’s actually had a chance to speak in court, or rather for his lawyer to speak for him, and is maybe making the intelligent move called “shutting the fuck up”. We will have to see what gets said in court later. But if he does own up to it, then it means either he definitely is actually The Adjuster or else he’s intentionally choosing to take the fall for whoever is. I find the second option unlikely but not impossible, but it’s too conspiracy-theory for me to back it seriously, and if that really is what he’s doing then I ain’t no snitch anyway. Just write Luigi down in the history books and call it a day.
But at the end of the day the list of evidence the cops claim to have found on him is one of the fishiest police stories I’ve ever read, and that’s saying something because I’m an American that tracks the news regularly.
The first thing he shouted from the car taking him to the courthouse fit the idea that this was all planted:
it’s completely unjust! It’s an insult to the intelligence of the American people!"
To me that reads: this is dishonest and unfair because it wasn’t me it’s an insult to USians intelligence because I don’t even look like him. (My inferences in italics.)
It was reported on Dec 10 that he said the money was planted on him.
Right, fair enough, I do remember that now. That just adds even more ammo to this theory then.
It could also be not be him, and some deal was made with a lookalike to close the case quickly, or to avoid giving the adjuster a platform to tell his story
I mean honestly who can fuckin tell unless he has his own bodycam footage of the shooting just laying around
