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I’m starting to think that doing enough Ketamine to take down a racehorse just before giving a speech to the entire world’s media, was probably not a good idea…
Inventing a time machine that lets you go back and kill hitler before he gets in power is a very common power fantasy.
Time travel guy failed by a couple pf centimeters.
The fact this is a debatable thing is the shame of humanity.
You know what’s even worst? ADL.
It’s not a full on Nazi salute as the words „Heil“, „Heil Hitler“, or „Sieg Heil“ aren’t used. However, it is a full on salute in its tradition. A right wing oligarch holding a victory speech espousing conservative revolution and a glorious future are in the vein of the fascism of old.
Trumpism doesn’t need to even express itself as fully fascist. The popular support, the support of the tycoons of industry, institutional acquiescence, lack of organized resistance, means he doesn’t need to go full authoritarian.
The ideological flexibility of Trumpism is enormous. Allegiance to Trump and MAGA is pretty much it. The rest of the ideology is dynamically formed by sycophants looking for Trump‘s favor. The post ironic attitude means immunity to value based criticism.
Elon Musk is a mix of minister for propaganda and court jester at the same time.
I know I won’t change your mind by disagreeing with you regarding the nazi salute. But I want to say that I am very grossed out by all the apologists defending him, even just a little bit.
Just remember the quote, for evil men to succeed, good men just have to do nothing
Logical fallacy: Argument from authority.
There’s a difference between an authority figure and someone with expertise in a subject. This individual isn’t using a position of power to supplement his argument, he is just detailing his experience.
People really need to stop treating logical fallacy like they’re harry potter spells.
(J) To emphasize the misuse of logical fallacies in recent history.
There’s a difference between an authority figure and someone with expertise in a subject.
By “authority” it means “authority on the subject”. A well known and respected physicist would be an authority on the subject or in the field of physics. The issue necessarily isn’t the lack of expertise but that the expertise shouldn’t be trusted blindly but rather the findings or argument should be verified.
Not that trusting the authorities on the subject is a bad idea especially when you are yourself not an expert. It’s more of a thing when trying to study something, figuring out proof of stuff and so on when you need to be aware of the potential issues.
I always thought that it meant: just because someone has authority over one subject, doesn’t mean they have it for another. Just because Einstein is good at math and physics doesn’t mean his quotes about philosophy and religion hold any authority.
Look who learned the world fallacy today. Still you’re using it wrong
Logical fallacy: Fallacy fallacy
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Journalists: It appeared to be a South African karate chop of some kind
Punches In Afrikaans
It has been maddening how corporate media has been trying to tell us it was anything but a Nazi salute. I’m reminded of the Star Trek episode Chain of Command Part II, “There are four lights!”
Imagine what else they’ve been lying about.
Lots of sex stuff with kids… some accidental murder and drug binges… the typical conservative stuff they project on others.
link?
I studied Star Trek at university, taught the history of Star Trek on two continents and wrote for major newspapers about Star Trek. I am internet famous for fact-checking chuds on the history, ideology and policy of the Federation.
There are four lights.
There are four parts!
it’s a joke about the movie Gaslight
He claimed it was a “my heart goes out to you” sentiment.
But the “my heart goes out to you” gesture is palm-up…
My heart goes out to you is the fig leaf Elon used for plausible deniability. He probably thinks he was terribly clever. Which, as it turns out, he was. Elon will get away with this and pushed the envelope of what’s possible. Others will imitate him.
This has all the elements for a softer fascist salute, where the words aren’t „Sieg Heil!“ or „Duce!“, but simply „my heart!“. A salute with the hand moving from heart to extension while saying firmly „my heart!“ works well to be visually striking.
But fElon doesn’t have a heart
I mean it just doesn’t matter what it was “supposed” to be. How many times have we seen things that are sooort of close to the nazi salute so people are like “hey better not do that.” And this is stuff that’s like basically just anything holding your hand in the air. This was straight up the salute lol I mean there’s no two ways about it. The question is what the intention was. And if it wasn’t intended to be some sort of nod to Nazism or fascism or something, why in the flying fuck would you do it?! lol I mean everyone in the literal world knows it would prolly be a bad idea to do anything like that but the self proclaimed Uber genius, smartest man in the world, ultra mega mastermind, God gamer musk… It just slips his mind?
The fact that he does it with such force and enthusaism too…
And without denial.
And turns 180 to do it again.
The guy is clearly a fucking Nazi.
Biting his bottom lip so hard.
so either it was an intended nazi salute or this guy is a fucking moron, or both.
I hate that narrative that the most powerful people on earth are like just morons when they do bad things. Trump got that treatment a lot and I don’t think you become the president of the USA a second time if you’re an idiot.
Same goes for elon.
There is no excuse IMO.
100% and you gotta do some Olympic gold medal level mental gymnastics to even entertain any other possibility imo
Generally you don’t yeet your heart out with such force either
I’ll give him this. That shit was crisp. Almost as if he stood in front of a mirror practicing it over and over.
He grunted as well. There was force involved
White power is in the White House…quite terrifying and embarrassing
No one tell bro about Woodrow Wilson
It’s been in the White House goddammit, they’re just being open about it now.
Always suspected Captain Obvious had a scholar background.
I searched that exact tweet up and it was posted by three different accounts with the exact same wording.
Me thinks this is no real.
OP you got a source? Because if this guy is who he claims he is then all of his work is being called into question and I would be very curious to see what other incorrect takes he’s got.
Bro saying it wasn’t a nazi salute 💀💀💀
The source could still be totally bogus.
This is why I hate Twitter, especially Twitter screenshots like this without even enough info to easily look up the user.
It wasn’t. But idk why I bother even attempting to have the conversation on this site. Y’all are convinced that it was and seemingly no other information can penetrate your thick skulls. At least some have had the decency admit they don’t care about the truth and just want to be angry which is cringe but I respect the honesty.
Edit: spelling.
If you don’t like being here, you can leave and take your 2 week old account with you.
Nazis like you deserve no quarter.
We don’t need or want you here either, fascist.
Well too bad. I’m here. Block me or report me but I’ll still be here… Lurking in the shadows… With all the normal people who have functional eyeballs and brains.
Btw, feel free to Google what “argument from fallacy” means, dipshit.
Why don’t you Google “Deez nuts”. Nerd.
lol got em
If that wasn’t a Nazi salute, Hitlers weren’t either.
Bro are you good? That’s not how anything works.
That is how this works. You don’t sieg heil twice in a row on accident.
Damn. Right to the top- Furher level. This isn’t any SS bullshit. This is practice makes perfect, I might have paid a trainer to get this good level execution. His momma always said, “If you’re gonna do something awful, be the very best at it dear”
…you do when you aren’t doing a Nazi salute and you want to properly address two half’s of a stadium.
Hitler had more people than trumps inauguration so he needed more salutes. Musk optimized it down to 3. What a genious. Truly the henry ford of our time, right down to the details.
It wasn’t.
Nazi apologist, got it.
Negative ghostrider.
If it wasn’t a nazi salute, why didn’t he apologize? 🤔
Did he? I’m not gonna slog through the shit show that is his Twitter feed , but if you got proof I’m happy to see it.
If he did apologize I suspect he was apologizing for the accidental similarities and not because he’s an actual Nazi.
Do you really think if someone was stupid enough to pull a real Nazi salute at that event on purpose that he would then turn around and apologize for it?
I might have misjudged you. Maybe you’re not dumb, just illiterate.
Ayo I swear that said “why did he apologize” earlier.
Just checked the modlog; you got a 3 month suspension from 8 communities cause you were mean, i think.
Looks like your account is new so I’ll explain: normally being mean wouldn’t get you banned but in this case you had the unpopular opinion so you got suspended by an unhappy moderator.
Welcome to Lemmy.
Yeah I don’t really care tbh. At least two of those bans were falsely applied as I did not break the rules they claimed I did, but I don’t care to argue with power tripping mods in the first place. The vegan one I’m not shocked by. That crowd is allergic to facts or any criticism of their way of life.
I don’t remember the other ones.
Our of curiosity (because as you pointed out I am new here) how does one see mod logs? I only use the site through my phone and the sync app so I am guessing that’s something you have to use a computer to be able to see?
Oh man. Buckle up. The hive mind here is something fierce. Something about the Left eating their young. People get real pissy when you question a common narrative you find here. It’s becoming harder to separate fact from fiction for me. I can’t decide if my bullshit detector is accurate or malfunctioning.
It feels like there may be a fair amount of propaganda happening. Like back during the early days of the r/thedonald when you could you could watch the Russians clock in and stir up the magats and q’s. Just a different political flavor.
IDK, I say this as a blue voting redneck and supporter of socialized medicine and queer rights and so on.
You sound alright brother. I also lean left, but I ain’t into that super left hivemind bullshit.
Big fan of socializing medicine and I think all consenting adults can marry and fuck whoever the hell they want.
I also think everyone has a right to bear arms which they really don’t like.
I believe in free speech full stop. Used to be a lefty thing and now somehow isn’t. Not a fan of that shift.
I also hate cancel culture and DEI nonsense. People make mistakes and change. Hire the best person for the job regardless of race, gender and whatever else.
Most importantly I want the government to fuck off. Leave everyone alone. Help those who need help but stop telling us what to do dammit.
Communication is about both what you mean to say and what people hear. We can never be 100% sure what Elon meant to say, but for some reason a lot of people heard something concerning. But maybe it’s just a small number of loud people online.
But it’s an easy enough thing to test. Just go onto work tomorrow and do the same motion a bunch of times and ask people what they “hear”. If they mostly hear you just being friendly then you’ll know you’re correct. Easy peasy.
What? Did you reply to the wrong comment or am I having a fuckin stroke?
The latter.
Do you not see movement as a form of communication?
now now, this is no place for fact checking
We unite against common enemy here, right after two minutes hate
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