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BRICS will never work if China and India are in a border conflictChina and India: 🤝
Praying for a red India. Tens of millions of farmers protested against the government, and millions of them were behind the communist parties, so it gives me some hope.
At this point even regular lib India would be preferable to Fash India.
desperately yes
I’m ngl, soldiers of two nuclear and military superpowers brawling with sticks and fists is pure dudes rock energy
Dune noble houses conflict
Don’t bring lasguns 👀
They don’t want war, just a battle. In it for the love of the game.
A 2020 clash between Chinese and Indian troops fighting with sticks and clubs on the ill-defined border killed 24
this conflict was metal, they where literally throwing each other off of cliffs and fighting hand to hand
A 2020 clash between Chinese and Indian troops fighting with sticks and clubs
Radio War Nerd talked about this. This specific border area is “demilitarized” and neither side is allowed to have guns. So when a fight broke out it was just a huge fucking brawl of basically nationalist football hooligans beating each other up with blunt objects at 8,000 feet.
Yeah that I knew, I didn’t realize 24 people fucking died
Just settle the border issues and be done with it. China doesn’t need Indian territories and India doesn’t need Chinese territories.
In practical terms it’s a very silly issue because it’s not even a territory where anybody lives or has much intrinsic value. I definitely expect they will find a way to resolve the issue the same way USSR and China eventually resolved their dispute. It’s becoming increasingly evident that India now realizes that aligning with the west isn’t going to be productive, and that necessarily means they need to resolve their issues with China.
A big problem is that if any political party would hint at ceding any land in the disputed Arunachal Pradesh area, the other political parties would rail on them for being unpatriotic. As such it is an endless game of strongman posturing for useless territory.
Not sure what things are like on China’s end. Maybe they don’t want to kowtow a country that has been hostile towards them. Apart from that I have no guesses.
This is basically why the whole thing has gone on as long as it has. China and India need to find a compromise that isn’t going to look politically weak for either side.
If they wanted to have an amicable agreement, China could keep Aksai China and India could keep at least most of Arunachal Pradesh. I actually don’t know what the geography of the disputed AP territory is but Aksai Chin is useful for China because it connects Tibet to Xinjiang.
China already essentially made that offer, but it was rejected by the Indian side.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-64870707
Although, the Indian claim the offer was never made.
So hopefully, fingers crossed, this finally gets agreed upon as it’s clearly the best solution.
If Pakistan had Imran khan and India had kinda Lula like figure the problem of Kashmir and Laddakh would have been solved in a month. Its pretty easy make Kashmir a joint administered region and make the LOC , the true border between India and China, Case closed forever.
That would be sensible, we’ll see what they end up settling on.
Yeah, in order for there to be a negotiated settlement the Indian side has to be willing to deviate from its position of “We get everything we want and you get nothing you want” that its assumed to chase votes. China does have a recent track record of resolving pointless border disputes like the long-running one with Russia back in the 1990s. Both sides just have to come to the table and be reasonable about it, but that’s not likely to happen if the Indian media keep claiming that the Indian Army killed 900 trillion PLA soldiers in 2020.
It’s not even a territory where anybody lives
Imagine letting 24 people die over a piece of land that nobody lives in.
Medieval mfs be like: “I will now sacrifice 5 million men to take over this land full of rocks because it appears in my holy book”
Crusaders and Muslim soldiers getting ready to each lose another 200,000 men trying to attack/hold Jerusalem for the 2,736 time this month because their magical sky person has decreed it.
Does either religion actually decree it?
Yes, the Bible states that Israel was given by God to Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac as a promised land in return for their worship. From this, Jesus is a descendant of those men and his birth and most pivotal life moments center roughly on the city. His cruxafiction happened just outside the city, and his church the Holy Sepulchre, built on his site of cruxafiction is so Holy to even muslims that all of the Islamic generals/leaders during all of the Crusade refused to enter it or damage it in any way.
Jerusalem is incredibly important to the Christian and Jewish faiths.
Meanwhile, for the Islamic faith, Jerusalem is the thrid holiest city behind Mecca and Medina. In the Quran Mohammad is transported and flown to the city on his Night Journey to Al-Asqa and Heaven.
Jerusalem is incredibly important to the Islamic faith.
Cue the 8 billion Crusades
Yes, I get that it’s important, but I don’t think you established that the religions actually mandate control of Jerusalem.
India and China both have nationalistic claims , India wants aksai Chin back and China have friends in Pakistan and wants Arunachal Pradesh . I say stay where you are and lets fix the border but hey we have so many pro west idiots and nazis .
Hopefully as BRICS becomes more important to India that will in turn put pressure on actually resolving the dispute.
Frankly its a problem not between India and China alone , Pakistan is also there . As long they harbors pro Talibani anti hindu extremists the problem will be there in the sub continent for a long time. Also , India has weak people regarding geopolitics much of them are pro white suckers from colonial times.
I don’t like the Taliban, but doesn’t India have a ton of anti-Muslim extremists as well? I’m not saying Pakistan shouldn’t root out anti-Hindu extremists – it should! – but it seems like an issue of both sides feeling threatened and that feeling facilitating escalation. Please correct me if I am mistaken, since you know much more about this.
Our extremists happened recently post 2014 and are not funded by US or any superpower . Taliban has a history of well organized battles, funding and fundamentalism more than 40 years.
the anglos forever forcing the rest of the world to take the Ls meant for them.
This is why nationalism is stupid. They could easily make it a free travel zone where Chinese and Indians could go there without restriction. But I think it’s mostly inhabitable land anyway so making it militarized makes sense
AOE2 music playing
Medieval combat with Chinese characteristics.
Goes hard
Prohibited from using modern weapons? Get me my glaive!
It’s really surprising that Modi agreed on something. Still I hope that India will eventually become completely communist like Kerala since the number of protesters is in millions!
Kerala is not “Completely communist”, from what I know about the situation there its governed by a broadly left wing coalition with the main Communist party as the leader, and they are very limited in what they can actually do because of the constraints from the federal government.
Same, probably won’t happen in the near future, but there is definitely a lot of latent potential.
I’m a little concerned about how badly China is losing the optics war on this conflict. As far as I know, you can’t really pin the blame on either side here. But if you go to the comments of any YouTube videos on this such as SCMP, seems everyone is supporting India and talking trash about China, especially commenters from Vietnam and the Philippines.
Are the comments in English? A lot of Indian netizens can speak English and will naturally support their own country.
I don’t think looking at youtube comments is a good way of gauging general opinions on a subject. The opinions of terminally online fascists maybe, but not everyone else.
Citizens of countries that have a bad relationship with China hating China shouldn’t exactly be surprising tbh idk
The thing is Vietnam doesn’t even have a particularly poor relationship with China. Yet it seems like bashing China is a national pastime. There are border disputes, yes, but they have those all over the world, like for instance between the US and Canada.
At least a plurality of people in Vietnam seem to really hate China, and while I disagree I also struggle to blame them given the history that a number of them experienced personally or had parents who did. For example, if you look at one of those “which country is the biggest obstacle to world peace?” maps, iirc Vietnam’s most popular answer is consistently China. I would guess that’s not a supermajority but just a plurality saying that – while others might say the US, Myanmar, Russia (depending on when), Israel, or . . . India, maybe? But I don’t really know anything
On the other hand, India doesn’t have particularly great relationships with any of its direct neighbors and has had a long history of conflict with many of them. People always harp on how China has few friends among its neighbors, but I struggle to think of any relationship India has with a neighboring country as friendly as China-Pakistan.
It’s the SCMP, Lol. The content is occasionally objective, but the readership is like 80% anti-China.
I’m just glad it’s not owned by Murdoch anymore
That’s in part because of all the anti-China propaganda on big media and youtube. In youtube, anti-China content, specially content from big media (BBC, sky news and the likes) and CIA-backed content, is recommended to much more users than pro-China content. Just look at the number of views of anti-China videos vs neutral or pro-China channels. Anti-China videos easily get millons of views, while the best of the best pro-China videos only reach tens or hundreads of thousands of views (one or another may reach millions by using a super catch thumbnail and title). The pro-China videos are mostly recommended to people that already watches pro-China videos, while anti-China videos get recommended for everyone on youtube. The result is that a huge amount of youtube users believe anti-China crap.
If I’m being honest I think China has pretty poor optics/soft power all around in the West, which is obviously because of Western lies and their equivalent of a cultural Firewall mixed with the fact that these socities could not be much more different. If China wants to win over hearts and minds in the West (which I do NOT think is necessary to achieving victory), they need to make China sexy/cool or at least spin themselves as a clear moral/rational arbiter (in a not lame or culty way).
Obviously we Westerners could help a lot on that front too but it’s hard to shoulder the optics by ourselves.
They could learn a lot from Japan, which has essentially won the cultural war for America’s most beloved pet, or from America itself, which has convinced millions of people across the world (even those it destroys!) that it is The Good Guys.
They could learn a lot from Japan, which has essentially won the cultural war for America’s most beloved pet,
And what objections did the western bourgeoisie have to this? What objections did the bourgeois controlled press have? What objections did the CIA have? None. Because Japan is a puppet, a land of unrepentant fascists where school curriculum, downplays or outright denies the atrocities their forces committed in the second world war. It is occupied by the US armed forces and completely subjugated. In other words it is not a threat. Neither is its exports of sexualized drawn children a threat. Neither are the occasional capitalism bad messages which the western media itself regularly creates and disseminates without elaborating and certainly without ever giving the impression communism or revolution is a good idea.
The problem with PR In the west and I do think they could do better to be clear because they don’t try that hard. Is that there is a ceiling, a limit to what they can achieve because the entire western media and cultural apparatus and propaganda machine is working full time against them. They will not allow them a toe-hold, they will not readily purchase rights to and air Chinese animation for example that might portray China too positively. The media here looks the other way or pretends to see only the cute kawaii anime girls in animes that have parallels to Japanese fascism and mock war crimes but they would immediately spot and scream about propaganda the second a Chinese animation project portrayed even a minor good thing like a government official helping a character as propaganda by the ebil see see pee.
I remember the first real Anti-China myth I ever saw (and believed) was that China used a giant Microwave Gun to attack Indian Troops at a disputed border. That was like a decade ago or so.
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