every single one of those 10 photos is literally just women going about their day and the comments is nothing but gooners shocked to learn that iran has hot women too, and now that their attractive women arent covering up, suddenly westoids see the humanity in these people.

every “(middle eastern country) isnt as bad as we’re told” post on the default reddits is exactly like this. on the flip side there’s the “look, (middle eastern country) used to have lots of hot women til islam came along!” posts about afghanistan etc

just seems disgusting to me. they don’t care at all about these people. they’re just fantasizing that maybe somehow they can take advantage of global tensions and somehow end up with a hot iranian wife

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    I thank the mods here that there are volcel police because this geopolitical brand of gooning really fucked up tbh. Like the shit mfs tried to pull with Ukrainian refugees and tried to take advantage. Fuck right off

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    Unfortunately the only thing which motivates large portion of male population whether liberal or conservative is to what degree they can objectify women. This is why Israel uses models as IDF propaganda.

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    More of porn addicted westerners doing the “women of country x before revolution”. I was wondering when it was going to come out. (also, this again is reminding me of the picture below)

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      low-tier meme. the problem is the coercion not the state of dress. that’s why france banning hijab isn’t any good either.

      i hope there are secular feminist movements in utah and iran and wherever else and i hope the US state department stays the fuck out of them.

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          the meme fails because top left and bottom right are ostensibly coerced into their dress should they desire to dress a different way, while the other diagonals are not.

          there’s a different thing going on with bottom left we could talk about but she could put on a jumper if she wanted and the only consequence would be not having beads thrown at her.

          and of course we still have white religious weirdos who would condemn bottom-left and think that about indigenous people so top left hasn’t gone away.

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            because top left and bottom right are ostensibly coerced into their dress should they desire to dress a different way

            You think if you asked the woman in the top left to dress like the native American (I’m assuming that person is native American) that she would do so if she had the freedom to do it? I think you’re imposing your views on someone from a WILDLY different walk of life. The people in the top left are usually devout people who would be horrified at the idea of dressing in revealing attire.

            There ARE women who are forced to dress a certain way, but on average people from different cultures dress as they personally see appropriate. Nuns for example have all the freedom in the world to dress as they see fit, and yet you’d be hard pressed to get them to dress like the bottom left picture. I think we’ve reached a point where it’s gotten extremely difficult to understand what it even means to say that people ‘have a different culture’; it’s become hard to understand that people willingly choose to live so differently.

            I recall reading about how the English viewed the Irish’ punishment for murder, that being the paying of the blood money for murder; they considered the Irish barbaric because they didn’t execute murderers; were the Irish being forced by a rich upper class to not just execute murderers? No, they just had a different way of life, and ironically today capital punishment has been done away with in the UK. Similarly if in a few hundred years America becomes more devout, like puritanically more devout, the women in the top left may very well come back to being the norm and they’d be horrified again at the idea of dressing like the lady in the bottom left.

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              You think if you asked the woman in the top left to dress like the native American (I’m assuming that person is native American) that she would do so if she had the freedom to do it? I think you’re imposing your views on someone from a WILDLY different walk of life. The people in the top left are usually devout people who would be horrified at the idea of dressing in revealing attire.

              no i think top left might want to wear trousers or something

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                There are nuns today who dress similarly to that; they have all the freedom in the world to wear trousers but they don’t. Puritanical society saw an entire nation of people (both men and women) who chose to dress in such a manner because they were very religious; yes there must have been women who wanted to dress otherwise, but this was the average because they came from very devout societies. Studying history you find people were just extremely different to how people are today; their views were just radically different. Were there individuals who wanted to wear trousers? Surely, but the majority believed this was how they were supposed to dress.

                Was anyone forcing them (men and women) to go to church? To pray? No, they chose this for themselves because they were genuinely devout and it reflected in their lives. Heck, whoever was supposedly forcing them, who was forcing those people? These are people from a vastly different lifestyle compared to today.

                Nuns are the perfect example; they have the freedom today to dress in trousers and to get an office job, but they choose the life they do because their views are just wildly different to our own.

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                  yes there must have been women who wanted to dress otherwise,

                  and how would they be treated if they chose to do so? that’s my fucking point. there are/were true believers in these communities, just as there are iconoclasts, and there is/was a spectrum of conformists who might choose something else if it wasn’t for the rigid structure limiting their imagination. that latter group too, is oppressed, even if they don’t see or mind the chains (but going to far is how you get e.g. the france thing or a hypothetical where not only is nudity decriminalized but pants are outlawed)

                  Nuns are a terrible example because they’re not forced into that by the dominant culture.

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    On a side note, is there much info on the dress code in Iran? From what I can see, it’s mainly about covering your legs from the ankles up, covering arms from the elbows up, and covering the top of your head if you’re a woman. And even then I imagine foreigners get less hassle.

    Like, all of the pictures of Iranian women in Chabod (the typically-black head-to-toe covering) is purely exploiting for propaganda purposes the women who congregate in their choice of clothing.

    Those women have more autonomy over their appearance and modesty than a lot of women do in the west. We may not have formal religious or moral police, but instead we have at least a third of society who harass, assault, and ---- women deemed “not modest enough”. We have recreated modesty police culturally yet talk of liberating women into our own fucked up systems of misogyny.

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    Unpopular opinion: critical support.

    Hear me out.

    More than anything, this pattern is caused by patriarchy.

    Racism is obviously at play, but it only adds flavor. Someone mentioned people mourning the loss of “big booty latinas,” the operative words are clearly “big booty.” It’d only be slightly less gross if they said “big booty women.”

    The patriarchal belief that many people have is “all else equal, attractive women have more value than unattractive women.”

    Patriarchy encourages infinite debate on exactly how much value a women’s attractiveness has, and the common belief is that very attractive women are highly valued.

    CW: example of gross patriarchy

    “Would you rather sleep with a 10 or two 6s?”

    These pictures are only interesting to chuds because western media has systematically dehumanized folks the middle east so that our governments could attack them without public backlash.

    They have been propagandized to believe that people in the middle east have no value, and these pictures challenge that.

    Ultimately, these pictures are weaponizing patriarchy against imperialism. “Oh my god, I didn’t realize we were bombing something of value” is a realization that more folks needs to have, but it’s really icky that this was an effective way to do it.

    I choose to believe the OP made an intentional decision to do that, and the fact that it caught on means that it worked.

    If the goal is that more folks see people in the middle east as humans with value, I’ll excuse leveraging people’s existing shitty beliefs to do so.

    The ends justify the means, but the means justify a shower.

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        Some don’t, but it’s a vast minority. It’s certainly not the prevailing belief on reddit.

        The belief “women have no value, and are only useful as sex objects,” is fringe, redpill, loser shit.

        The belief “attractive women are more valuable than unattractive women” is peak reddit.

        I can’t think of a belief that more succinctly describes the problem with reddit.