• FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Like, Marvel’s Thor was single-handedly responsible for a lot of people’s renewed interest in Norse mythology and a massive chunk of it was just Jack Kirby coming up with wacky gibberish

        Entertaining gibberish, but gibberish

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          Why is thor even blonde man, wtf. We know 3 things about thor’s appearance from the eddas

          1: Redhead
          2: Fiery eyes
          3: Twinky enough that he can fit Freyjas dress

          Which means we can conclude that Thor is a twunk, and no work has replicated this.

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      I don’t agree. Mythology is part of culture and history. Works inspired by mythology don’t have to adhere 100% to it of course, but I would probably object if something was meant to be an authentic depiction of a mythology and they went out of their way to not depict the culture from which it originated. Like I’d be a little mad if I was watching something purported to be at least a semi authentic depiction of chinese myth and Yama is wearing a toga. By the same token I would appreciate it if more viking depictions wore tunics, and I am genuinely still mad at the fucking anime bullshit the National Museum of Denmark pulled for their depiction of returned Varangian guards.

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          No they had these huge pictures hanging depicting actors wearing imagined varangian garb designed by some artist.
          They were fully wearing silk yukata with one of those women’s bronze age belt plates and holding a semi authentic helmet.
          The whole hall just outside where they used to keep the viking ship was covered in them.

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    Weren’t the vikings such successful sailors/travellers that they directly interacted with Persia and China? Dudes was seeing the whole damn world tbh

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      There is no evidence of which I am aware of that they reached China. But the volga trade route went as far east as modern day Uzbekistan and from there it connected to the silk road which allowed for indirect contact (Samarkand being a hub of both). It would be somewhat accurate to say they “directly” interacted with a Persian empire in the form of the Samanid.

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        Thanks, I was in fact remembering their volga trade route into the caspian. It was through this that they recieved some chinese goods but they definitely didn’t directly interact with China. I read an article about this like a week ago so my memory was a bit fuzzy :P

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      There was at one point a contingent of royal bodyguards in The Byzantine Empire that were entirely made of fucking vikings. Those guys got around to say the least.

      Societies during the European dark ages were pretty connected. Not sure about china and persia specifically and directly though, lack of knowledge on my part.

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      Vit fóru til Miklagarðr ok ekki allr persónar veru hvítir! Hvat er sjá marksismr!? Furða!

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      I suck at norrønt, but supposed to say: we went to miklagard (Istanbul) and not every person was white! What is this marxsism!?¹ [this is] sillyness/bullshit!

      Pronounciation guide (approximate, idk true norrønt pronounciation, also norrønt was somewhat tonal and that isnt represented here. I also placed tapped r instead of rolled r where it made sense to me, but rolled r is i think appropriate everywhere):

      /vit/ /fuːɾʉ/ /til/ /miklagaɾðr/ /ɔ/ /eki/ /alr/ /peɾʃuːnar/ /veɾʉ/ /viːtiɾ/! /vat/ /ær/ /ʃaː/ /marksismr/!? /fʉɾða/!

      ¹ not meaning “what is this, marksism!?” But rather like “this is marxsism wtf!?”. Word order implies meaning and grammar that can be hard to translate between languages. Its not a question of whether or not its marxism, its an assertion that it is marxism and an expression of outrage/frustration/wtf that gets formed as a question-sentence.

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      The video game where a greek guy literally emigrates to Midgard, where he then starts hopping realms to kill off Norse gods (tbf in self-defense), and then the game ends by

      God of War 2018

      teasing most/all other cultures’ pantheons are real in this game’s universe, too

      Not that any of these tourists know or care about that, of course.

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    Subsaharan Africans among the Vikings was always feasible, if uncommon. We know the Germannic Vandal tribes made it to at least North Africa (supersaharan?) after the Roman Empire collapsed and Vikings were ruling England by 900 CE, and trade was crossing the Sahara for the wealthy Kingdom of Ghana if nothing else.

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      You don’t have to tie yourself into knots dragging Vandals and the Rhoynar and the first men into this. The víkings raided muslim lands in Iberia where they freely attest the existence of black people (“Blue men”), and while it is quite likely they would sell any such captured person before getting home, you could have the descendants of captured slaves taken as thralls instead of sold off going viking (Remember viking is a profession not an ethnic or cultural group) along with the descendants of their slave masters.
      Which is sad.
      Like the idea of a black viking implies sad stuff. Plausible stuff, but sad.