saying something this edgy does not absolve you of bigotry
Have you considered it’s kinda funny though, especially when random liberals take it super serious
let’s kill the structures of white supremacy so that “white” isn’t really a thing
They hated him because he spoke the truth
If telling people to stop posting worked, we wouldn’t be here
The grass cannot consent to being touched.
Wake up babe new site tagline just dropped
On a non edgy note, being white but having class consciousness and being anti racist in cracker town USA sucks. The shit white people say to you that they think is acceptable is insane. It’s like the power and privilege just poisons their souls. Whiteness as an institution/class, whatever it is, legit needs to be destroyed.
I agree, it’s incredibly self serving and you’re not fooling anybody
I bet many other POC feel the same as me but I rarely even complain about white people here because I know it’s like 90% white so it’s just an audience that could never empathize with what I’m saying
most people HERE specifically are probably doing it to signify either that it’s funny, or that they aren’t silently brooding, or to make fun of the lemmy people taking it seriously. It’s more like a “har har” than going doe-eyed and slowly nodding like “yeah no, I know, I know, actually my partner and I decided against having children because white supremacy is…”
ymmv for other groups of people
I bet many other POC feel the same
I don’t, I enjoy making white jokes
I don’t straight up advocate violence though (but I will always upvote a white comrade doing it to themselves, because it’s funny)
Personally, I would like to see some of that energy being used for more productive anti-racist actions
But then again, this a website for little goofy people sometimes and that means that people will be little and goofy sometimes
As a poc I hate seeing these jokes because I worry that the poster thinks this is what poc actually want and are “aligning” in some misguided way with us, which just feeds into the “hur hur what if whites were a minority they would be treated just as badly as today’s minorities” nonsense from the chuds
Did that paragraph make any sense I just woke up
this made plenty of sense.
They’re not particularly valuable posts
If hexbears wanna express their frustrations with racism or white supremacy I think it’s fair to give them a platform to vent, but self-flagellation doesn’t really do anything
Yeah, definitely.
absolutely
Whitey here, im going to embrace my innate ability to be insufferable to tell you and by extension whoever you’re talking bout delete this dumb fucking post and delete your dumb fucking infighting.
Creating or contributing to a gossipy slapfight is not praxis
Creating or contributing to a gossipy slapfight is not praxis
But it is a long-standing hexbear tradition
delete your dumb fucking infighting
profile picture of an outdoor cat
hmm
3 threads greater than 100 comments. Truly, this is one of the weeks where decades happens. I haven’t read any of them.
yeah theres been a lot of struggle sessions
What were the other ones?
I meant like, this week
The two big ones in the early days were over transphobic users and veganism. We’ve had a no tolerance policy for transphobia this whole time and that was kind of whiplash for early users. Lots of people with unexamined reactionary views who weren’t used to strict guidelines on how to talk about trans stuff. A lot of them were against pronouns in user profiles.
But the absolute legends will always be outdoor cats and rock stacking next to rivers
Abolishment of white supremacy necessarily results in the erasure of the core of White identity since whiteness is a construct that is rooted in the idea of white superiority.
Yeah, this reason is sorta why I think I’d prefer if white peoples didn’t identify with it. It feels like there’s still way more benefit than not in most situations for most people. Like white supremacy is still around so that systemic/broad benefit is still there.
I find this idea appealing on paper but I think in practice it is way too individualist and idealist.
I am white, and if tomorrow I decided that I am not a white person at all but instead my particular nationality and ethnicity, absolutely zero conditions for me would change. I would still be privileged in a court room, in an interaction with police, in a job interview, in receiving healthcare, etc. regardless of my personal feelings on my identity. I would be socially understood as white no matter what. White is a social category, not a choice. If I did decide this, absent massive societal change, I would just be denying social reality. Is that actually helpful?
I don’t think it is possible to have an individual disidentification with whiteness which would mean anything to other people and to society. It’s putting the cart before the horse. The concept and identity of white will disappear when the conditions that make it a meaningful distinction disappear, not when many people decide individually that they no longer belong to it.
we are losing our wayi’m not saying we cant clown on mayos but come on. there’s a certain point where it stops being making fun of white people and crosses into weird self-hatred and white guilt and stops being funny.
That’s fair, gotta rate the vibe I suppose
It doesn’t need to be racist to be cringe or unhelpful
Honestly I thought these jokes were funny 3 or 4 years ago but have we not beat the dead horse enough at this point? It’s just overplayed now
We can reassess it’s necessity when the underlying critiques of white supremacy stop being relevant
In the last 24 hours one of the biggest of these threads can be distilled down to saying “Skiing is white supremacist for only being in places with cold climates”, “snow is racist”, and “sports that do not specifically cater to me and the place I live are inherently bourgeois.” People just blew up a thread about skiing bitching about the gear being expensive in California, imagining that people would make fun of them for using old gear (most people think retro gear is dope), and saying that it’s problematic because it doesn’t exist in [places where snow does not fall]
Half of the threads that are ostensibly about hating white people are posted by a couple of users who mostly post these types of threads very clearly as a form of self harm.
These arguments are not as productive or relevant as you think.
I don’t want any comrades to self-harm, yes, even if they are white
The same OP of that thread called a biracial person in this thread a “half cracker” to dismiss their discomfort with posts they feel are hateful or self-hateful.
I think we should be able to recognize that there is a line crossed by some of these posts where they aren’t really jokes anymore, and actually reflect essentialist ideology. that’s a lack of theoretical understanding, and worse, a lack of kindness and empathy for different perspectives.
Essentiallist ideology and a lack of theoretical understanding
There is one thing, exactly one thing I agree with right wingers about, and that’s that white guilt is liberalism
I don’t think they’re self harming. I read them and all I can see is “please please please please please please like me” with a little “lol jk” to make it go down an easier.
There very definitely are some users who clearly post when spiralling and will post a handful of very clearly self-harming posts each month most of which get removed by mods for being buckwild, and maybe one of which from the beginning of the spiral gets left up and then becomes one of these struggle session posts you’re talking about.
