Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.
They’ve been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren’t Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it’s bots or wumao. Human beings can’t possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.
🔺 This place is a RussianChinese bot farm disinformation campaign 69k filled with CCP shills and Russian trolls. 🔻 I doubt there are any real human posters here. Edit1: Wow, so many updoots! Edit2: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!This formatting is incredible, a real work of art.
It looks like that nuclear waste sign. The “This place is not a place of honor” thing.
I tried to click the upvote button but nothing happened !!!
I doubt there are any real human posters here.
Well, we’re certainly different from the humans you seem to be used to, my lib dude.
I was honestly not excited about federation and still think we will be de-federated within hours (is that possible?) because liberals cannot stand being so consistently embarrassed by Marxists BUT I will say that a major factor in my radicalization was finding r/chapotraphouse years ago back on reddit. For every lib we dunk on, others will start to wonder and ask questions and even laugh along with communist jokes (by far the funniest on the internet). Liberalism actually has an extremely limited appeal, the democrats excite almost no one, and it’s true that some of their more lukewarm supporters just don’t know that you can fight liberalism without being a fucking nazi.
I would disagree that liberalism has “extremely limited” appeal. Many people are perfectly happy with the mediocrity offered by liberalism, and that’s one of the major challenges, that so many people prefer it over radical change of any kind.
Liberalism: acceptable to many, desirable to few.
I mean it’s boosted by the fact that it’s the dominant ideology and permeates everything. for most people, it’s existed without question their entire lives. so I’m not sure how happy people will be with it when they’re offered a real alternative, even among people who objectively benefit from it.
Yeah the benefit of being the default is huge. Incumbency bias is strong, and liberalism doesn’t bad enough at first to most people, so they assume its fine. You either have to be curious about the truth, or get fucked over by the system to really start to question it. It exists in a state of not so bad that people hate it, but clearly not the best, so people just go along with it as it is easiest to do so.
It just needs to fuck you good once and there’s no going back. I had to take my dad in for over 2 years while he slowly died and I had zero help. He had no other family and couldnt afford elder care so and I was stuck changing his piss bags, giving him enemas, feeding him baby food and the only thing anyone offered me was pity.
Fuck this system. Fuck anyone who defends it.
yep, as long as it’s the ideology in schools and media, it’s going to retain that position. the cracks are beginning to show, however. I think neoliberalism is really only the ideology of a few people (who admittedly have significant power) and we’re living through a rebirth of liberalism into a backwards looking ideology that craves its former power and glory. this new ideology is typified by blue MAGA – a reactionary sentiment echoed back when Trump was in office “everything would be fine if only Obama were president”. different groups pick different dates for when they want to turn the clock back to, but it’s overall a reactionary ideology.
I suppose, but I was increasingly frustrated by the way democrats endlessly kowtowed to republicans and how they got nothing, absolutely nothing in return for it. I thought it was just an issue with “corporate democrats” at first, until I witnessed Bernie and AOC’s total capitulation in 2020 and began to understand that this country’s problems go way deeper than fucking campaign contributions. R/chapotraphouse really helped provide answers for my questions, namely reading Marxist theory and history (and responding to fascists and liberals with pigpoopballs).
For me, it was when Bernie campaigned harder for Hillary than she had campaigned for Obama, and then also how “Bernie Bros” were blamed for her ensuing loss to a human cheeto.
I personally take it less as people finding liberalism appealing, and more that real change is scary and entails the possibility of suffering and death.
Bingo! There’s been police homicide and torture cases after 2020 and I don’t totally buy the Ray Epps narrative from the press. I sometimes wonder if the capitol riot was a way to try to keep the largescale 2020 protests from happening as the cops still commit murder. Make no mistake, the unrest following Floyd was bigger than the unrest following MLK. It went global.
Edited
I think the only people to whom liberalism really appeals to are those who are entirely disengaged. I think anybody who becomes active immediately begins to discover liberalism’s inherent contradictions, and finds themselves faced with the reality of either becoming some variety of fascist or socialist, depending on what their true values are.
I would disagree that liberalism only appeals to people who are entirely disengaged.
There are so many passionate and obsessed liberals. People who do canvassing, go to peaceful protests (while criticizing protests that are too disruptive), DVR MSNBC shows, listen to Pod Save guys, etc.
there’s a kind of desperation in the way a lot of libs cling to their ideology though, a sense that it must hold or unknown terrors will consume them. I don’t think it’s particularly stable, especially if a real worker’s party were to offer a clear alternative.
a sense that it must hold or unknown terrors will consume them.
“Better the devil you know than the devil you don’t”
Oh yeah… I once had an argument with a Bernie supporter who wanted a Domestic Terrorist Alert List. The argument got heated and I wasn’t really for gun control if the police are still armed.
She called the cops to my fucking apartment.
Those canvassing/protesting positions are fairly good opportunities for those seeking to push obsessed liberals toward the left libertarian end of things. A few poignant questions and a “based on that, you might be an anarchist” can be powerful.
That’s how I was prompted to dig deeper, and end up with a more “radical” descriptor. One conversation while canvassing to open the door. Prior I would have described myself as liberal because I didn’t know a while lot about other options, but my actual views didn’t change much at all.
I literally found CTH because I saw liberals on r/latestagecapitalism talking about “the scary dirtbag chapos” who “tell right-wingers to post hog” and was thought to myself “Wait no these people sound awesome, actually. I am so sick of people trying to play nice with actual Nazis” and decided to see what you guys were actually like and it turns out you aren’t scary at all. Lol.
I also found LSC first, then after someone mentioned CTH I started lurking there, because it was just better. After CTH was banned, LSC went full
with Bill Gates praising and shit, and it was just depressing to read at that point.no im scary
Beep boop I am programmed to destroy the west boop beep.
Good bot. Start any time, the people of the west yearn for freedom.
Chinese bot accounts have more humanity than western liberals
Chinese bot: “I’m just wandering around China eating good food and enjoying scenery. Look at this cool train and neat skyscrapers. Panda!”
Western liberal: “BLOOD! BLOOD! BLOOD! THE LINE CAN ONLY BE APPEASED BY THE SACRIFICE OF THE VITAL ESSENSE OF THE POOR ON THE ALTAR OF CIVILITY!”
I wish I could wander around China eating good food and looking at cool trains😋
Say what you will about those Chinese bots, I’ve never heard one advocate for a nuclear holocaust.
go gett’em
Put it this way, CTH was tiny compared to the size of reddit yet it had such an impact on the site that Reddit’s admins wanted it gone to stop the left pressure it created.
Hexbear is significantly larger comparatively when compared with the size of Lemmy. The influence we have on Lemmy is larger than it was on reddit. Currently at least, assuming Lemmy continues to grow that might not be true in future, but for now it absolutely is. Particularly because we’re only on a few instances.
Because CTH established one of the essential steps towards a revolutionary movement: “an alternative cultural pole”. So it was dangerous and had to be destroyed.
Is “an alternative cultural pole” a phrase from some theoretical work? Asking because it sounds interesting, and I came up short on DuckDuckGo.
I made it up lol, but its from gramsci, I think he used countercultural hegemon or something.
Haha nice I was wondering if it was Gramscian
Hexbear has 565 users/day and there are not even 500 upbears on this thread.
I’m really no affectionato and have little formal training when it comes to high art, but this. This speaks to my soul.
same energy, different perspective
Apparently right after the Bosheviks seized the palace they raided the alcohol stores and had a giant party/orgy for a full week
this painting goes hard fr.
uncritical support to comrade @GarbageShoot@hexbear.net’s efforts to kindly engage with the libs in the anti China thread that’s active right now. I appreciate that someone is in there not just sending ppb but I’m not gonna do it lol
I actually don’t think I’ve seen anything like this on this site before:
oh back when the site first launched, comments would get squished until they were 1 character wide, so the replies would be entirely vertical. and the threads would continue anyway because people were replying from their inbox.
and I’d do it again
TheTruthaboutChina.jpg
Charles de Gaulle is the embodiment of
Not a fan, but when hes right hes right
He had some bangers. If he were alive today his posting power would eclipse our big wet boy.
chart for visiting libs to throw a dart at before calling us tankies
WHY ARE THERE OVER 700 COMMENTS ON THIS
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, COMRADES?!
To any wandering libs, if you want to better understand our perspective, listen to a season of Blowback: https://blowback.show/Season-2
Or really anybody who wants to understand the Iraq War, the history of the United States and Cuba, and the Korean War from a leftist perspective. Really good reporting, includes original interviews with still living people that lived through that history.
For a more condensed primer, there’s always yellow parenti: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP8CzlFhc14
WAIT A MINUTE THAT’S NOT FROM AN APPROVED SOURCE ON MY MEDIA BIAS INFOGRAPHIC.
MODS MODS PLEASE REMOVE THIS
THESE CLAIMS AREN’T BACKED BY A DNC NGO, THEREFORE IT’S DANGEROUS MISINFORMATION THAT’S HELPING REPUBLICANS WIN.
THOSE ATROCITIES COMMITTED BY THE US WERE NECESSARY TO DEVELOP THE RULES BASED INTERNATIONAL ORDER, I’M SORRY IT HAPPENED BUT WE COULDN’T BE HERE NOW WITHOUT IT.
I’m going to lock this thread at some point tonight, so that other threads may be born.
Tankie mods locking valuable discussion threads smdh my dick head
the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry
