Too many people pearl clutching today over worries of retributive violence, as if the fascists aren’t already going to be committing that violence on us in the near future regardless. It’s not too early to say that this scumbag deserved much worse and I’m glad he got rocked so publicly. Mods I’ll understand if you delete this and I’m truly sorry for the trouble if you do, I just need a personal break today from the media cacophony of liberals collectively reconciling with the realization that we live in an abnormally and horrifically violent society.
The onion had a good headline, ‘Charlie Kirk loses gun control debate by a longshot’
Where? I want to share it.
All I can find is "Trump: ‘Political Violence Has No Place In My Inner Circle’"
Omg lol
I don’t know a lot about him, I’m not US American.
I condemn violence in general but a person like him who helps polarize society, pours oil in the fire etc. may just reap what he sowed.
That’s what you get, with culture war nonsense and playing sides of the political spectrum against each other. Strange to assume this would just stay rhetoric.
Main difference between him and someone else fueling the fire is the irony.
He specifically supported people bringing guns to schools wiith quotes that essentially boil down to “Gun violence happens but we just have to live with it to protect our god given rights.”
He was the reason he could get shot.
He sayd things like few gun related deaths each year is acceptable sacrifice if they can keep their god given right to bear arms. Also he said he does not understand empathy and it’s just a made up new age term.
So he most definetly got what he sowed, what he deserved.
He was saying that trans people shouldn’t have guns because they commit lots of gun violence when he was shot (a lie as usual).
People with influence or status need to de-escalate with their words and actions, not by choice.
Imagine leading a life where millions are giddy over your death.
I literally cannot recognize Charlie Kirk without his tiny face shrunken slightly further down.
That’s because it’s Crowder in the meme
If anything, someone enlarged his tiny face in this image.
Some bring joy wherever they go… others, whenever they go
Russian Soldiers wrote this on the wall inside the German Reichstag in 1945. Best use of it (so far).
Wait is this meme format actually Kirk?
No it’s Crowder but Kirk was on a “Prove Me Wrong” tour which amounts to the same thing
Like when Henry Kissinger died and every second city in South America had celebratory parties?
The craziest thing about that is that being a halfway decent human is the default position. You have to actively try to be a peice of shit at the scale he was
I wonder if people like Ben Shapiro and the likes see this and go: hmmmm
I see earlier that Ben cancelled an appearance.
I approve of this. In fact, they should just bunker up and remove themselves from the public eye entirely.
Unfortunately they’d still have access to the internet to spew their nonsense.
Well, obviously they’d have to cut themselves off from all communication so no one can track them down. Can never be too safe.
And he was only 31, imagine how many more would be giddy if he lived as long as Trump.
i switched over from reddit recently and this post makes me here to stay. Got a loud laugh out of me after reading all the undeserved sympathy this guy was getting.
I’ve been wondering for awhile now - at what point do ppl just start killing these fucking ppl. I guess that’s today. Hopefully this a lesson/reminder in why you don’t treat your fellow man like fucking dogshit, cause they just might tear your fucking throat out!
Yuh got permabanned from Reddit for telling alt right dude they only bitch when one of their own FO in the FAFO and that Nazis deserve sunflower seeds. Lmao that site is a joke.
Bruh… We are in for an explosion of political violence… Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable. Welcome to your average black Americans reality. Police killings are political violence but no one with actual power ever gave a shit.
And your average kid in elementary school. Our society has successfully normalized violence literally against children. I feel like we’re not far away from “pedophiles really aren’t that bad actually” being said by our politicians.
And they want me to care about a fucking piece of shit like Charlie Kirk turning into a fountain of blood while no one else was hurt? Literally top 10 clean kills in history.
The only sympathy I feel is for people that had to feel the trauma of that event. No one there knew they were not also targets. The panic and fear they must have felt in that moment. That is my only sympathy for this situation.
Yeaaaah, when he was asked how many transgender shooters were in the us in the last 10 years, he answered too many and the crowded roared in applause. I give no fucks about their trauma.
I feel like THIS is retributive violence. Democratic politicians were earlier shot dead in their homes, so I’d say that republicans (who are themselves endorsing political violence) shouldn’t be able to feel safe either.
The Republicans are only going to talk about violence against them. They have a victim mentality and Charlie boy is now a martyr.
I don’t think his name will linger in memory very long. The pro gun crowd doesn’t care when people die, they just don’t. And they’ll happily use his name for a little while, but it’s not like they actually valued his life any more than they value the lives of the children who die from routine school shootings every year. They’ll forget about him soon enough.
It’s sad to say that, too. We’d like to imagine that these gun lunatics have some sense of empathy with their political allies, or other humans in general, but many of them just don’t. And because they don’t feel that at all, they can’t even fake it, not for long.
He is now their Horst Wessel.
I hope they all end up being martyrs.
His voice just got louder.
Not really. His death put a cap on his ability to say new things or respond to current happenings and cultural events. He was neither timeless nor profound and 5 years from now this is the only thing most people will remember vs him yapping in their feeds about current events this diminished him.
That’s exactly what happened to Rush Limbaugh. He’s no longer relevant to the current conversation and while not forgotten, he can’t spread his continued message anymore.
No louder is that other conservative talking head
Crowder isn’t really very popular. Charlie Kirk is going to be the white MLK
I’m white and I can assure you that POS may he rot is not.
Hang on, are you accusing the FBI of killing Charlie Kirk, too?
Not intentionally, the shooter was just supposed to clip his ear.
Unfortunately, the guy who missed JFK’s ear was on duty that day.
Am I not not accusing them?
How is it at all like MLK?
His voice couldn’t become louder than it already was. A mouth that big can’t get any bigger.
Also, he’s dead.
Kirk promoted gun violence to justify the 2nd amendment. It would be poetic justice if the killer was someone whose loved one died from gun violence and chose to give him a taste of his own opinion.
Trump ordered flags to half staff. For a fucking shitposter. 2 congresspeople in MN get gunned down and nothing.
Someone said “he died as he lived: talkin’ out the side of his neck.”
Perfection.
Ffs 😂 👌
He had a lot to say.
He had a lot of nothing to say, we’ll miss him.
At least one person didn’t miss him.
unexpected tool
Between eulogy and vicarious, they’ve absolutely got some fitting songs for the time.
How many people have been snatched off the street and disappeared to secret prisons recently? Those people I am concerned about, this bigoted asshole eating lead while spewing bullshit…not at all. There is violence going on already and while I don’t wish for more deaths, there is no rehabilitation for a Nazi
Fountain of blood is an understatement. It looked like special effects. The guy went out like a DOOM villain. He died gargling on his own blood.
Sauce? I need to watch this plsss
Not as bad a way to go as people described to me. He loses consciousness immediately from blood loss, I bet he didn’t even have time to feel anything, pain or fear wise.
It’s a shame he was incapable of remorse.
I need this but longer
Resident Evil 4 Original, just intentionally lose to the Chainsaw dude. That shit actualy scared me as a kid, this is nothing.
I think they censored the decapitation in the remake (but they still kept in the decapitation for non-chainsaw deaths, so idk what’s the point)
Jesus.
Yeah… All the people asking if he managed to survive either didn’t see the vid, or don’t understand bodies, cause he was unconscious within a second and dead seconds later.
The bullet ripped open some juicy neck tunnels and based on his contortion probably fucked with his spine too.
Most people have no idea how destructive bullets actually are to bodies, or how much you bleed. Most people have never seen, or have never seen many, actual shootings, and think that it is something in the neighborhood of an action movie on the bloodier side of things.
Yeah they’re saying it was a high powered, bolt action rifle not just ya normal 5.56 AR. The crack of the shot was very distinctive, most likely something like .308 which will fuck up unarmored personnel.
The bullet just needs to hit a big artery and it’s over.
The only movie I have seen that had realistic war or otherwise gun action was Saving Private Ryan.
There are some out there that show it, or how bloody violence in general is. However they are usually considered to be hard to watch, and always show up on lists. Things like Come and See, Possessor, etc.
Interestingly his head seemed to rock in the same direction that the bullet hit, you would think it would be away.
I think the bullet tore up much of the supporting structure on that side, that’s why he slumped that way.
Fuck this vid is bad.
Right in the middle of his full-throated endorsement of the scapegoating of transsexuals too.
He was going right for the jugular.
Neck and neck with the president himself in making right wing public opinion.
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Holy f*** I was expecting something but holy f***
Yes real life is gruesome. You can say fuck on the internet.
I feel for all the people who will have to live with the fear and trauma of witnessing this. I’m glad nobody else was hurt. This type of violence is a consequence of our gun-obsessed and highly politically polarized culture, which Kirk had a massive hand in making worse. I hope we can focus on the damage his rhetoric has caused and those who were taken in by him can use this as a learning moment.
I guess it occurs to me that the shooter was lucky to target so accurately.
Emotionally driven rogue shooters often aren’t going to have steady aim. We’ve even seen from many similar incidents, it can happen that multiple unrelated people to the object of their hate can get hurt. It’s often how gang violence spreads - the gangs only care about their opponents, but stray bullets still hit innocent people, dragging the mess forward.
If they’d hit anyone else, which is purely a matter of luck and lack of discovery, not shooting skill, I imagine this wouldn’t be so clear cut an issue. For that reason, I’d rather we not generate imitators, especially not in crowded events like these.
Yeah, what is up with our gun-obsessed culture anyhow? Switzerland for example has about as many guns per person as we do, but they’re not nutso gun worshippers like we are. What gives?
The US has roughly 1.2 guns per person. Switzerland has 0.27. Canada is a better comparison with 0.34. No country in the world is really in the same league as the US. The US is more than double the next country: Yemen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
While other countries do sometimes have a few guns, they all have much stronger gun laws. In Switzerland a gun is never something you can use for self-defence or home defence. It has to be safely stored at all times except when you’re going out hunting or going to a shooting range. If your weapon is lost or stolen you have to report it to the police immediately. If you are going hunting or going to a shooting range, your gun has to be unloaded.
In Canada it’s relatively easy to get a hunting rifle, but pistols are more or less illegal. If you’re a sport shooter you can get one, but if you’re driving to go shooting it has to be locked in a box in the trunk of your car.
The US one of the only countries where it’s acceptable to use a gun for self-defence. It’s one of the only countries where people think they have a right to guns. Almost every other country considers it a privilege that can be taken away if someone doesn’t actively demonstrate that they’re handling these dangerous things safely. In almost every other country it’s illegal to have a loaded gun on you when you’re not at a gun range, with a few exceptions made for police, bodyguards, etc.
The US also has extremely violent media compared to the rest of the world. In the US there are ratings to try to protect kids from seeing sexual content, but violence is mostly OK. In most of the rest of the world it’s violence that’s not OK but sex is no big deal.
I’ve always said America doesn’t have a gun problem. We have a culture problem. I could go on and on, but as a gun owner concerned with the law, you can’t believe the stupid shit I’ve seen posted online.
It has both. Canada also has firearms and it’s not nearly as batshit
Switzerland requires training courses and other regulations we don’t have have afaik, though not an expert, which likely helps a lot.
America as a non homogenous society, and always has been rife with divisions as well. These divisions easily, even subconsciously stoke fear into people, prompting a bigger draw towards self defense.
Early pioneer spirit also drilled it into the American consciousness. Needed a gun to defend your farm/animals from predators or other people when law enforcement didn’t exist or was hours away back in the day. Also leads to guns being in the family, needing back ups, a gun for every able bodied person etc …
So a big culture of self defense being the only viable defense for much of American history, consistent concerns about the “others” (for a large chunk of time also includes slave revolts), and relatively lax requirements (stemming from the other reasons mentioned) and boom. Crazy gun obsessed culture.
Self defense often means a gun for me. I live on the edge of town, not sure how fast cops could get here. I’m in the woods and on the waters all the time, sometimes almost everyday. These aren’t nature parks. The places I go are wild.
If I get out south of my camp in the swamp, there are zero humans our there with no way for them to get in. I’m pretty determined but much if it is impassable even for me. Animals don’t have the same problems. Last trip I stumbled on water moccasins on three occasions. Not gonna shot one, but if I fuck up and get to close to get away, shotgun it is.
Went down a creek one time and when I returned the next day a teen girl came running up, almost crying, “We saw you leave and you never came back and we were just talking about who to call!” Because no one, ever, goes on that water. Saw a hulking male mountain lion though!
I feel for you living in a uncivilized country where you need a weapon in order to feel safe.
Swiss only have guns because it is the gun from their military training, which currently is mandatory.
They may have guns, but they do not have ammo.
I strongly worry about the short term for everyone. Listening to the fear and anger of both the people around me in rage and the people celebrating violence online, this feels like the first domino falling. Tensions will be high for awhile. Please learn to love your neighbors no matter how ignorant or disgusting their beliefs and convictions may be.
What about when their beliefs are “people you care about should die?”
It’s a reciprocal relationship. I can tolerate them if they can tolerate me. If they base their beliefs on failing to tolerate me… I won’t extend the courtesy either.
Idk. Lot of people hoped Luigi would spark a trend and that never materialized. Don’t fret too much
That was less than a year ago. In terms of history and revolutions, that’s not a long time.
It’s easy to read history and think everything happened seemlessly - events clearly triggered subsequent events, in an easy-to-follow pattern on a timeline. In reality, months on a timeline actually take months to happen. We are living in days that will be written in history books someday. The people who read about this time will have a hindsight into our era that we can’t possibly possess.
Which is why I don’t understand how we can be in the comment thread of a high-profile, wealthy conservative being shot, and there are still people saying that Luigi (or whoever shot that CEO) didn’t “spark a trend.” Just because we’re too close to see it doesn’t mean a trend isn’t actively emerging right now.
Fair enough. I think lots of people talk about it like they were expecting that it’s suddenly open season on em all, but yeah true. This could be a trend. Well have to see.
I mean, there was the blackrock ceo too.
Loving people like this doesn’t make them question themselves - it makes them think their abhorrent views aren’t so bad or that your convictions aren’t really that strong.
And doing so does not stop the violence - there are already people dying in prison camps and being arrested and beaten for protests. The violence is already happening and keeping silent about it is just pretending it isn’t and trying to keep it isolated to a group of sacrificial others rather than seeing it effect everyone.
Is the situation lamentable? Yes. But this escalation didn’t happen in a vacuum.
I ain’t gonna love bigots
Horrible Trauma is one of the few things that changes people’s minds. It’s generally in-group pressure, and trauma. Maybe some charlie supporter saw him get a well deserved death will have nightmares for a while, and then stop supporting horrible causes.
Nah, tried that. It Doesn’t Fucking Work.
The only thing I’m afraid of is the reprisal that Trump will extract from us.
Whatever he does in vengeance he was going to do anyway.
dude had a big face or small face depending on how you define face, i see why the shooter didn’t want to overcomplicate and went for the neck
If he got shot in the head - no vital organs would’ve been hit tho.
If they were shooting at the face, they would have misjudged the distance.
He was likely aiming for the face and didn’t calculate for the bullet drop. Good. Enough.
Bro, somebody who did a shot this good has to be experienced with weapons. They fucking took into account bullet drop. Maybe they didn’t take enough into account, but they had to have taken into account
Honestly, super curious about who the person is if they ever do end up catching a real suspect.
Lol.
So long asshole.
Ran your mouth one day too long.
